DASHIZWIZ vs M2K/vs COLBOL/vs CORT/vs CAVEMAN/vs XELIC 7/18/08

[QUIVO]

****! All I can say is EPIC

 

[Retroking2000]

dashizwiz vs colbol was the motha of ****

 

[4Serial]

shiz is inventing falco's grab game lol
idj lasers ***** colbol

 

[chillindude829]

Synikal I never said Brawl was more competitive than Melee. I have never said that, and I will probably always maintain that Melee > Brawl in terms of competitiveness, and even as a game overall. My point basically was that some of the people who argue about Melee vs Brawl try to make it sound like Brawl is worthless in terms of providing competition, which is obviously not true.

 

[soap]

ya, he said that brawl requires more intelligence to play, im not sure i havent really played too much brawl yet, but i dont see it

 

[Life After Death]

chillin, brawl does not take more intelligence, it takes learning stupid things about the game and playing gayer. Brawl definitely does not take more intelligence than Melee, if anything it's the same, I can't believe you would say that just because you play Brawl now. I haven't played Melee in a while but I'll always admit it's the superior game for competitive purposes and fun.

edit - this is M2K at lambchops house

 

[Roman.]

Intelligence is such a broad word to use that you really can't compare the intelligence that it takes to play melee vs the intelligence that it takes to play brawl.

Intelligence includes "how to reason with something, how to plan something, how to solve problems, thinking abstractly, comprehending ideas, and learning". I mean with all these different sub categories, of course this debate could go on forever unless they were listed on a point scale and then put into effect (**** that). I mean in melee you have to think fast, learn combos, learn how to bate, etc. while brawl includes being very patient and having to read and adapt (somewhat) to your opponent.

It's hard for me to list what brawl needs cause I don't play it anymore at all so maybe someone could help me out so obviously I'm biased to saying melee requires more intelligence overall. Once again I still stick to the statement I made earlier that brawl was made to be a family/party game so it's not suppose to be in depth or for the "competitive" players.

 

[jugfingers]

chillin probably stopped playing melee when he lost to jman and hax in teams at pound 3.

no johns.

 

[Ace83]

Brawl doesn't take more intelligence then Melee did. You have to rely on thinking in Brawl because you are not rewarded for anything else. Melee you have to think more and you have to think faster because you have more options overall. There are a lot of approaching options and a lot of camping options. You can say the ratio of thinking to tech skill is greater in Brawl but then in Melee but more thinking is required in Melee.

100% agreed.

 

[Big_R]

lambchops is gonna start taggin all his posts saying its m2k then no one will argue anything with him. lol

speaking of chillin shiz shoulda gave cort the chillin work with waveshines across fd to shinespikes

 

[QDVS]

LOL...I can tell that is m2k and not lambchops...I know how lamb posts...

ROFL

 

[SynikaL]

I think people missed the emphasis I tried to place on context in an attempt to actually qualify intelligence and other virtues in harmony with being competitive. Hence, Chillin is confused as to what I'm accusing him of. The post isn't that abstract.

Regardless, I do believe Brawl emphasizes wit more than Melee does; simple logic dictates that the less variety present in a complexed system's mechanics, the less there is to intuit, or understand. Therefore, the more the average human intellect has to innovate within those scarce parameters when in competition with another human being to manipulate that particular system for personal gains. Any easily accessible competitive outlet with relatively simple rules and mechanics will exhibit this emphasis on human innovation: from Pong, to Checkers, to Chess.

More variety does mean "more to think about", but isn't necessarily working your intellect any harder from moment to moment because all those options aren't coming into play all at once.

But simpleness is elemental enough to be persistent, essentially becoming a presence the human intellect must adhere and ultimately conform to. The Rubick's Cube is a "solid" example. When daunted by the vast number of possibilities and permutations of the subject, one misses the elegant simplicity prevalent in its actual solution (despite 43,252,003,274,489,856,000 possible avenues, the Cube can be solved in under 25 moves or within one minute!).

Sorry if that read like an excerpt from an Encyclopedia entry.

Now, look what happens when you throw a wrench like competitive drive into the simplicity of solving a Rubick's Cube:


http://www.stanford.edu/~leyanlo/cube_solution.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqP_cFPO04&feature=related

Viola! Innovation!

Faster methods are being developed as we speak, all in the name of competition. Speed Cubing isn't as dynamic as competitive Brawl of course, but I think you see my point, not to mention the parallels.


So yeah, this is coming from one of the stingiest Brawl detractors: Brawl is more cerebral than Melee.


-Kye

 

[Razor]

I think people missed the emphasis I tried to place on context in an attempt to actually qualify intelligence and other virtues in harmony with being competitive. Hence, Chillin is confused as to what I'm accusing him of. The post isn't that abstract.

Regardless, I do believe Brawl emphasizes wit more than Melee does; simple logic dictates that the less variety present in a complexed system's mechanics, the less there is to intuit, or understand. Therefore, the more the average human intellect has to innovate within those scarce parameters when in competition with another human being to manipulate that particular system for personal gains. Any easily accessible competitive outlet with relatively simple rules and mechanics will exhibit this emphasis on human innovation: from Pong, to Checkers, to Chess.

More variety does mean "more to think about", but isn't necessarily working your intellect any harder from moment to moment because all those options aren't coming into play all at once.

But simpleness is elemental enough to be persistent, essentially becoming a presence the human intellect must adhere and ultimately conform to. The Rubick's Cube is a "solid" example. When daunted by the vast number of possibilities and permutations of the subject, one misses the elegant simplicity prevalent in its actual solution (despite 43,252,003,274,489,856,000 possible avenues, the Cube can be solved in under 25 moves or within one minute!).

Sorry if that read like an excerpt from an Encyclopedia entry.

Now, look what happens when you throw a wrench like competitive drive into the simplicity of solving a Rubick's Cube:


http://www.stanford.edu/~leyanlo/cube_solution.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAqP_cFPO04&feature=related

Viola! Innovation!

Faster methods are being developed as we speak, all in the name of competition. Speed Cubing isn't as dynamic as competitive Brawl of course, but I think you see my point, not to mention the parallels.


So yeah, this is coming from one of the stingiest Brawl detractors: Brawl is more cerebral than Melee.


-Kye

o-kay...way to miss the point. you're trying really hard to sound like you're smart. even if this thread was about brawl...who cares? we already know melee is better. good job.


great matches. i want to see m2k vs cort now.

 

[SynikaL]

*Snaps fingers*

That's why I stopped posting on Smashboards! D@mn, it's like misplacing your keys consistently by the bathroom!


-Kimo

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

*Snaps fingers*

That's why I stopped posting on Smashboards! D@mn, it's like misplacing your keys consistently by the bathroom!


-Kimo

You aint seen nothin until u see gamefaqs message boards

 

[DaShizWiz]

Chillen:


Last time I checked, diligence was a pretty respectable virtue not only within the competitive arena, but in life in general, not a demerit. So, since when did intelligence become the official monarch of all virtues for it to tyrannize, marginalize and trample all those beneath its rule?

I must have missed that particular memo.

Some players employ intelligence in spades. Some, lean more towards diligence. But the fact of the matter is, good/great players employ suitable amounts of both, in varying degrees.

Just because a player is most intelligent, does not necessarily mean he should be entitled to be the best (at least, not in the context we're speaking). An ideal competitive atmosphere has multiple avenues to explore, so those that lack the experience, diligence, confidence, wit or any of the many other virtues in harmony with competition, can find a method to compete (still would not change the fact that the best players will contain a combination of these merits).

Yes, Brawl is more cerebral than Melee, but that only makes it more competitive in one sense. Virtues like diligence and adroitness are marginalized to the likes of intelligence and patience. In the same sense, it makes the game more competitive than Melee because intelligence and patience are virtues more readily available to the average man than adroitness or diligence.

But, Melee is also more competitive in another sense. Diligence and adroitness have much greater rewards in that game, but intelligence isn't nearly as marginalized in Melee as adroitness is in Brawl. There is a much more convenient balance (at this point, at least). Furthermore, as someone mentioned, many find the rewards of diligence fun (practice makes perfect, production of innovative ideas etc.).

Yes, Melee is less accessible as a result of its higher dexterity requirements, but in this same sense, it's more competitive than Brawl because the quality of competition will be much more filtered, and as a result, more serious.

The set featured in this thread hosts two players boasting ample amounts of various competitive virtues and as such, the set was close.


Also...

Don't wanna derail the thread, just bare with me people...




Kid, trust me when I say you have no clue what the h3ll you're talking about.

The "babies" comment wasn't meant to be an insult as much as an innocuous reference to the fact that I'm likely a good deal older than most people in this thread (24).

The constant hair splitting between "Hip Hop" and "Rap" is nonsense conjured up by mostly backpackers and mainstream media looking to perpetuate the strong division between mainstream and underground rap music. "Rap" refers to the action. "Hip Hop" refers to the culture (Not the fantasy culture portrayed by the mainstream, but the actual street culture that consists of, rap, poetry, graffiti, and much more).

Done.

Use them interchangeably or not, just know that you're perpetuating absurdly petty ideals with your statements.

We do agree on one thing though: We don't respect Nas. Did you even read my post? I bet you couldn't even entertain me with a compelling reason you don't respect Nas, you bandwagon junkie. You also accuse me of being absorbed in the mainstream (again, did you read my post?) and you reference Joe Budden. Hypocrite much? If you think the rabbit hole goes as far as Budden, you've got a lot to learn about indy rap music.

-Kimo

....... I feel like Synikal ***** everyone....


Edit: And synikal is trying to sound smart, he "is" smart. One of the most well spoken intelligent people I've ever met.

 

[Ace83]

good post synikaL.

*refrains from turning this into a hip-hop thread*

 

[MarsFool!]

Melee vs Brawl

Real Hip Hop vs Rap

Up vs Down

Somebody have an argument with me you stupid son of a *****.

 

[Razor]

i think chillen is actually right in one aspect: i think these matches aren't as "important" as ken vs bsoldier.



ironically, i think - i know both dashiz and mew2king are BETTER than bs and ken were. i'm pretty sure we know bs is just another competitive falco and ken was never THAT good. i mean, every match of m2k's looks like a combo vid. unless ken actually played and beat him, i'm convinced m2k is better than ken.


hopefully these vids make ppl want to play melee again. it doesn't matter if shiz got 3rd; we need more fanboys out there to keep playing melee. and falco.


important edit: deltron and jurassic 5 is all i have to say when it comes to hip hop.

 

[SynikaL]

Deltron, eh?

I guess you're not as ignorant as your post suggested.

Thanks, Shiz!

-Kye

 

[Oskurito]

I need to watch the rest of the vids when I get home: I've just watched shiz vs m2k...

 

[Stos]

deltron.

gg for the real hiphop vs. rap.

anyways.

I still cant believe shiz hanged on vs. m2k in the last match.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

Melee vs Brawl

Real Hip Hop vs Rap

Up vs Down

Somebody have an argument with me you stupid son of a *****.

I got you on the hip hop argument, what u wanna argue about?


Them ni**as be trying to look for ways to make M2K seem like the best player. Yea he is good ill give him that no doubt (does pick his nose) but he uses marth and shiz uses falco. Marth has a advantage over falco. Since shiz almost beat M2K and ***** him that one round, people like Isai and others gonna say "Oh falco has to be (even) with Marth now cause of blah blah." No. Shiz is just too good, and IMO is better than M2k.

Take a game like pokemon and 2 people fight using an all water team vs a all fire team. If that fire team beats you a round, and gets close to winning the match you suck.

suspect for president

 

[Renth]

Edit:

Oh look a kitty!

 

[Winston]

I got you on the hip hop argument, what u wanna argue about?


Them ni**as be trying to look for ways to make M2K seem like the best player. Yea he is good ill give him that no doubt (does pick his nose) but he uses marth and shiz uses falco. Marth has a advantage over falco. Since shiz almost beat M2K and ***** him that one round, people like Isai and others gonna say "Oh falco has to be (even) with Marth now cause of blah blah." No. Shiz is just too good, and IMO is better than M2k.

Take a game like pokemon and 2 people fight using an all water team vs a all fire team. If that fire team beats you a round, and gets close to winning the match you suck.

suspect for president

No character johns; m2k is the best player because nobody can beat him aside from mango (and that was a while ago).

Anyway, wtf @ Isai? That's the randomest **** ever. Isai doesn't care about melee at all >.>

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

No character johns; m2k is the best player because nobody can beat him aside from mango (and that was a while ago).

Anyway, wtf @ Isai? That's the randomest **** ever. Isai doesn't care about melee at all >.>

LOL my bad i keep getting confused with this person thats on lamefaqs that is "pretending" to be Isai. I dont know if that's really him.

But yea no johns i guess, but i wanna see shiz vs mango, and no TIME JOHNS, Mango beat him not THAT long ago so M2K is not the best that's kinda opinion.

 

[CodaBear17]

Great matches=D


Lol shouldnt everyone be talking about these matches instead of rap? or brawl?

 

[killer tofu]

mango is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
doing what he did with a crappy character like puff
guy is amazing!


great set

 

[Mew2King]

you're ********, I'm obviously better than shiz (no offense to him, he's top 5 at melee in my eyes), I was nervous as hell in that set and messing up basic **** a lot, but once someone beats me he's proclaimed better immediately. He just played way better than me in that set, and I won cuz I was getting better later on + got lucky. I could have just sent cort to losers to maybe beat shiz again, but I threw my matches to cort because shiz wanted to play me, and I was just giving him what he wanted since that might not happen again any time soon.

also the only reason marth is considered a falco counter is BECAUSE I ***** the falcos with marths, with GIMPS and CHAIN GRABS. Without them Falco just ***** Marth, Marth wins with the gaynesses. I didn't even get the opportunity to get gayness off, and when I did i just messed it up which I hardly ever do usually if you ever actually played me in person or watched any friendlies that I play at any time of any day.

I honestly don't see why people think that set is so epic, it's just shiz ****** me the entire time and me barely winning because I got lucky to win 3 close games (even tho last game i was going for a cool up B kill which i messed up). If you're basing off vids like a scrub then yes he's WAY better, and he IS the best Falco hands down, but honestly I usually play better than that.

Shiz you're super amazing, and you need to travel and **** people, I'm just annoyed that people said this same stuff about KDJ Mango or anyone that ever ***** me once. I don't think I'll lose to them if I play the way I want to.

edit - Brawl sucks ***, I have the best record at that ****ty game and even I admit it's horrible compared to melee, it's only purpose is to either have fun with stages/items or for money. Whenever I get bored I just get ***** because camping is too dominant, and I try not to camp in it sometimes but when I do I just get hit (I'm talking vs good people) and that's why it sucks. It's boring and defense is too powerful.

 

[killer tofu]

where your matches with cort recorded

i can't find anything

 

[Mew2King]

cort didn't want to play me, and I'm really good friends with him so we just split it. If we actually fought I would probably just **** him like I usually always do.

 

[killer tofu]

makes sense

 

[SmashMac]

Yeah M2K you're obviously better for now because you have way more experience and have always been one of the best in the nation. I mean if Melee was the priority game and Brawl wasn't chances are if Shiz would go OOS more he'd catch up to your level, but that probably won't happen. People blow these matches up so much though because they're long awaited and they like seeing Top Pros. compete in these kinds of matches. A lot of people consider Shiz as the best Falco player and you as the best Marth so on such a high level of play where anything is possible people hype it up and go crazy especially when you're known for ****** Falcos and Shiz steps it up and shows Falco doesn't get entirely ***** by gimpy Pro Marths. I wouldn't let it get to you what people are saying like "Oh well Shiz is obviously better than M2K because of this ONE set.". It's obvious those who say that are scrubs and are biased. I will say that Shiz is top 5 in the nation right now just like you did though. KSN isn't too far behind either.

No johns, just let people think what they think who cares ... scrub mentality should be overlooked automatically anyways by Pros.

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

you're ********, I'm obviously better than shiz (no offense to him, he's top 5 at melee in my eyes), I was nervous as hell in that set and messing up basic **** a lot, but once someone beats me he's proclaimed better immediately. He just played way better than me in that set, and I won cuz I was getting better later on + got lucky. I could have just sent cort to losers to maybe beat shiz again, but I threw my matches to cort because shiz wanted to play me, and I was just giving him what he wanted since that might not happen again any time soon.

also the only reason marth is considered a falco counter is BECAUSE I ***** the falcos with marths, with GIMPS and CHAIN GRABS. Without them Falco just ***** Marth, Marth wins with the gaynesses. I didn't even get the opportunity to get gayness off, and when I did i just messed it up which I hardly ever do usually if you ever actually played me in person or watched any friendlies that I play at any time of any day.

I honestly don't see why people think that set is so epic, it's just shiz ****** me the entire time and me barely winning because I got lucky to win 3 close games (even tho last game i was going for a cool up B kill which i messed up). If you're basing off vids like a scrub then yes he's WAY better, and he IS the best Falco hands down, but honestly I usually play better than that.

Shiz you're super amazing, and you need to travel and **** people, I'm just annoyed that people said this same stuff about KDJ Mango or anyone that ever ***** me once. I don't think I'll lose to them if I play the way I want to.

edit - Brawl sucks ***, I have the best record at that ****ty game and even I admit it's horrible compared to melee, it's only purpose is to either have fun with stages/items or for money. Whenever I get bored I just get ***** because camping is too dominant, and I try not to camp in it sometimes but when I do I just get hit (I'm talking vs good people) and that's why it sucks. It's boring and defense is too powerful.

WTF are you crying about? People are going to have their opinion so deal with it, you just want attention. Not everyone is going to be your fanboy.

 

[Big_R]

man that sucks when ur so good u have to defend sets where u win anywways. rofl

 

[CodaBear17]

Lol M2K your really high on yourself but whatever you can back it up...

 

[jugfingers]

man that sucks when ur so good u have to defend sets where u win anywways. rofl

well he did get three stocked in the first match.

. m2k is def right,
that if it wasn't for chain grabbing and marths gayness
falco would **** marth pretty hard.

as witnessed in the first match.

but m2k is still obviously the best in the world

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

well he did get three stocked in the first match.

. m2k is def right,
that if it wasn't for chain grabbing and marths gayness
falco would **** marth pretty hard.

as witnessed in the first match.

but m2k is still obviously the best in the world

Best in the WORLD? -_-

I want to see him play amsah

and i dont no if he has played mikeal from japan

Dont over rate him like that, best in america sounds more real

 

[soap]

best in america=best in world. sad to say but they gotta come over here where all the comp is to prove otherwise

 

[fsdfsdgsgdf]

best in america=best in world. sad to say but they gotta come over here where all the comp is to prove otherwise

Ignorance should be a sin