Dark.Pch Vs. Falco boards.

[Dark.Pch]

You shouldn't with a dair like peach's.
Fsmash sucks on peach true, that's what I said x.X

With damage in spikes I mean that while I deal damage in small bits all the time, you come in and deal pain, then you get knocked off and have to wait a while before you can give a combo. Like spikes, first it's low, then it's high, then it's low, then it's high.

I don't care if you don't get hit by lasers if you approach, I'll phantasm you and let you retry all over 'till I get like a stupid grounded laser on you or summit.

Damage spike......all I have to do is get near you. And that is not really a problem. I dont' mine waiting since Falcos wanna run then camp and get close. And what I told you about lasers hardly touching me or at all, You also have to wait to deal damage on me. You are running away after all. The difference is I can make your % go up really quick. Really if I am playing on battlefield/lylat.

And Side B to retry. Kid was doing this to me on saturday Falco can't run from me. most I'll let him get away was 2 times. while he camped and tokk lil to no damage from lasers. Then started abusing him from his side B run away. I don't submit dude. I am very patient in this match up. I have no need top rush you or get annoyed cause you wanna run away with a gun shooting. It seriously is not hard for peach.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Damage spike......all I have to do is get near you. And that is not really a problem. I dont' mine waiting since Falcos wanna run then camp and get close. And what I told you about lasers hardly touching me or at all, You also have to wait to deal damage on me. You are running away after all. The difference is I can make your % go up really quick. Really if I am playing on battlefield/lylat.

And Side B to retry. Kid was doing this to me on saturday Falco can't run from me. most I'll let him get away was 2 times. while he camped and tokk lil to no damage from lasers. Then started abusing him from his side B run away. I don't submit dude. I am very patient in this match up. I have no need top rush you or get annoyed cause you wanna run away with a gun shooting. It seriously is not hard for peach.

If getting near me isn't a problem the Falco's you're facing are doing it wrong.

Well you're just as patient as I am, I have timed out people in tournament matches before and I don't care. laser laser sideB retry. The difference is that it gets between your ears and while I'm laughing at you.

 

[Marcbri]

I think its either even or 55-45 for falco, I'm lazy to describe how falco can get the advantage so I'll just post this vid lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA9VPNIKcFo

peach can stop the sideb easily though so she's not that easy to camp.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

To be honest I don't even think you played that match-up very well. How many times did you tech just to get hit by Dash Attack over and over? Or approaching with fair / Dash attack but almost no utilt? Come to Dolls War and I'll show you how to **** that ***** with Falco

 

[Marcbri]

I don't think I'll be able to go to doll wars , saix ( spanish smasher) is hosting a melee/brawl tournament near/same date >_<.

the fairs were a mistake xD ( but some ended working lol)

 

[Gmoney_]

the fairs were a mistake xD ( but some ended working lol)

This happens to me a lot aswell lol

 

[Dark.Pch]

If getting near me isn't a problem the Falco's you're facing are doing it wrong.

Well you're just as patient as I am, I have timed out people in tournament matches before and I don't care. laser laser sideB retry. The difference is that it gets between your ears and while I'm laughing at you.

No, I am just not stupid with my character and the match up. So don't make an excuse for these good falco players. Really when one of them plays Me and another good Peach alot. So there is no excuse.

And there is no difference. You are not getting between my ears as you say. And you can laugh all you want thinking this is funny to you. I'll be having on my music. But when I come out the winner for you being so simple minded like that, you want be laughing.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

You tell him DarkPch.! =D

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No, I am just not stupid with my character and the match up. So don't make an excuse for these good falco players. Really when one of them plays Me and another good Peach alot. So there is no excuse.

And there is no difference. You are not getting between my ears as you say. And you can laugh all you want thinking this is funny to you. I'll be having on my music. But when I come out the winner for you being so simple minded like that, you want be laughing.

Wait, so you don't have the mental stamina to continue playing peach effectively a whole match (see your thread in tactical a while ago) but you can get lasered 8 mins long?

Anyway, if you're not having trouble with lasers, they're still doing something wrong. Having no trouble with lasers while approaching, sure, that's totally believe-able, but they aren't meant for anti approaching.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Wait, so you don't have the mental stamina to continue playing peach effectively a whole match (see your thread in tactical a while ago) but you can get lasered 8 mins long?

Anyway, if you're not having trouble with lasers, they're still doing something wrong. Having no trouble with lasers while approaching, sure, that's totally believe-able, but they aren't meant for anti approaching.

When I win matches is is cause I am on point. the thing with that thread I made is is me not being on point and switching up for no reason at all. even when I am winning. But I am getting better dealing with that habit of mine.

And ok then, lets play this your way. I am the one that came to the falco boards. Just what are lasers good for against me then? Now you talk. I did enough of it.

 

[swordsaint]

peach came here for our opinions on the matchup and then tells falco mainers who know falco, on the falco boards, that the falco he plays are good falcos and tells us how we use lasers, when we're clearing saying that they're doing it wrong.

because you know falco best right, peach?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

When I win matches is is cause I am on point. the thing with that thread I made is is me not being on point and switching up for no reason at all. even when I am winning. But I am getting better dealing with that habit of mine.

And ok then, lets play this your way. I am the one that came to the falco boards. Just what are lasers good for against me then? Now you talk. I did enough of it.

Lasers are for limiting options.

Let's make a quick scenario...
I grab you and dthrow you.
You can
1. DI up
2. DI away (includes none and downwards as it's the same practically

2 different situations, but if you DI up I can easily follow up because I don't have to travel which normally compensates for hitstun.
If you DI away you have only 1 option against lasers, an airdodge, oooh so punishable. Get what I mean? This is just a sample which probably doesn't even reflect the fullest ability of lasers

 

[swordsaint]

also, if they falcos you play are only short hop lasering or short hop double lasering, they're still doing it wrong

there are mix ups we have to keep you on your toes, and they're enough to dish our some %, apply some pressure, follow up, AND RESET THE SITUATION

none of which are phantasms

 

[Denzi]

there are mix ups we have to keep you on your toes, and they're enough to dish our some %, apply some pressure, follow up, AND RESET THE SITUATION

Yeah, falco's Jab is at least as good as Peach's. And we can double jab and then cancel, which eliminates your spotdodge option. We can even throw out a jab after a Dthrow to tack on extra %. And Ftilt (which can be jab canceled into) is completely safe on shield and it does a great job of resetting.

 

[DEHF]

Dark Peach unless you can show a videos of you playing a falco showing why you don't think peach loses falco, People are going stick to what they know and probably shoot down whatever you say.

 

[swordsaint]

Dark Peach unless you can show a videos of you playing a falco showing why you don't think peach loses falco, People are going stick to what they know and probably shoot down whatever you say.

Haha..."Shoot".

Mwahahaha.

 

[Praxis]

Peach loses to Falco. Cleanly.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Lasers are for limiting options.

Let's make a quick scenario...
I grab you and dthrow you.
You can
1. DI up
2. DI away (includes none and downwards as it's the same practically

2 different situations, but if you DI up I can easily follow up because I don't have to travel which normally compensates for hitstun.
If you DI away you have only 1 option against lasers, an airdodge, oooh so punishable. Get what I mean? This is just a sample which probably doesn't even reflect the fullest ability of lasers

You can't stop me from getting you do. My options are limited from a far. Not up close.

And DI from what?

Dark Peach unless you can show a videos of you playing a falco showing why you don't think peach loses falco, People are going stick to what they know and probably shoot down whatever you say.

well when it comes to high tiers characters Vs Peach, the high thier characters usually think they win. And many cause

-Peach cant kill well
- air dodge
- camp lolololol (don't know why people even say "lol" like that, so stupid to me.
- We kill better. I can at least explain myself and get into deatail about the match up. if people don't wanna believe it then fine. I did my part as a member.

As for a Video, give me 2 weeks and I'll have matches recorded with ether Bleachigo or kid.

Peach loses to Falco. Cleanly.

What part of "Peach players dont post in here: did you not understand. And then making a post like this that explains nothing. This is why I told you boys to stay out. You think Peach loses to falcos and can't beat them, w/e. Stay out of this. I don't wanna hear Peach player cry more about match ups then they already do. . This is a debate with me and the falco players. a nice, clean one. stay out of it with post like this.

 

[swordsaint]

rofl

so, basically ONE peach player thinks the matchup is even, asks the rest to stay out because he thinks they know nothing.

Yeeeaaaaaah.

we "believe" you now peach.

 

[Meru.]

Two Peach players. And Gantrain! That makes three! Trust me, he's not the only one.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yaay kinda convinced me it's 55:45 for falco at max :x

and dark, reread my post will ya

 

[Eddie G]

i've played king beef in tournament

i started out a stock at 94% and by pressing B, spotdodge, roll, jab, nair, phantasm, dash attack and grab i was able to bring it back about 180% before I died from pressing jump instead of spotdodge to dodge a king beef fair

this matchup is highly stage dependent, but falco clearly wins on most stages. peach is not like marth with a high horizontal air and ground speed, so she has a hard time punishing phantasm unless she has a turnip. if falco plays SUPREMELY GAY like i did for 2 minutes against KB this is so hard for peach because she has a hard time baiting falco due to the fact that her aerial + float game is strongly limited by lasers and her ground game is not as good as her aerial game. you can tell peach to float over lasers and **** but falco can still run away lol. an evasive falco is SUPER hard to stop especially if, as soon as you get even anywhere NEAR the edge of their "neutral" or "advantaged" zone they run away

It's a smart tactic but it won't work as well again. I catch on quickly and I've already figured out how to punish evasive Falcos hard.

 

[clowsui]

haha then i look forward to the next time i play you, KB

i hate playing gay like that though, i really do. the next time we fight will be very very exciting since we will be able to adapt to each other

 

[erick gm14]

darn i entered the fun too late lol. as for this MU, i shoulda saved some of our vids Dark pch. They were good friendlies, and u and arnaldo play really different. 90 % of our matches were last hit also, some u got 2 stocked(i think idk....) and u 2 stock me, low % 1 stocks, SD's, etc . also stage is pretty important. i realize i lose on Yoshi's island because of the platform canceling the first shdl. there's a lot to this MU, however the one with momentum def has a good lead because from there they can camp, lay back etc..

i believe its even, though im not official on it since im not the best falco(s). our matches were back and forth and i did notice u were starting to win a little more so i had to step it up... still tough, but def we should save the replays.

and peaches kill game is relatively good on a light character like us, fair kills falco pretty early, and her jab competes with ours i believe. the only remote way i was able to take drk pch's stocks were predicting his get ups and rarely were setups...
and falco has a MAJOR hard time recovering in high percents >_>, u remember drk pch lol..

 

[Praxis]

Dark, I love how your reply to DEHF was just a big fat Hasty Generalization fallacy about "high tier mainers".

Two Peach players. And Gantrain! That makes three! Trust me, he's not the only one.

I find it to be an interesting statistic that every single Peach that has ever played a match against DEHF or SK92 believes that the matchup is 60:40 Falco's favor.

Which includes, IIRC, me, Edrees, Kos-Mos, Metatitan, Razmakazi, Susannayouuu, etc etc...

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Dark, I love how your reply to DEHF was just a big fat Hasty Generalization fallacy about "high tier mainers".



I find it to be an interesting statistic that every single Peach that has ever played a match against DEHF or SK92 believes that the matchup is 60:40 Falco's favor.

Which includes, IIRC, me, Edrees, Kos-Mos, Metatitan, Razmakazi, Susannayouuu, etc etc...

Praxis, with all respect, please leave. I hope you can understand...

Spoiler

We don't want no peach board drama xD

 

[Dark.Pch]

darn i entered the fun too late lol. as for this MU, i shoulda saved some of our vids Dark pch. They were good friendlies, and u and arnaldo play really different. 90 % of our matches were last hit also, some u got 2 stocked(i think idk....) and u 2 stock me, low % 1 stocks, SD's, etc . also stage is pretty important. i realize i lose on Yoshi's island because of the platform canceling the first shdl. there's a lot to this MU, however the one with momentum def has a good lead because from there they can camp, lay back etc..

i believe its even, though im not official on it since im not the best falco(s). our matches were back and forth and i did notice u were starting to win a little more so i had to step it up... still tough, but def we should save the replays.

and peaches kill game is relatively good on a light character like us, fair kills falco pretty early, and her jab competes with ours i believe. the only remote way i was able to take drk pch's stocks were predicting his get ups and rarely were setups...
and falco has a MAJOR hard time recovering in high percents >_>, u remember drk pch lol..

Stay away from a spining princess. And your Falco is beast dude. I like playing it and it's one of my Favorite Falcos. Same with Bleachigo. Really afterwhat he did to DM.

Dark, I love how your reply to DEHF was just a big fat Hasty Generalization fallacy about "high tier mainers".



I find it to be an interesting statistic that every single Peach that has ever played a match against DEHF or SK92 believes that the matchup is 60:40 Falco's favor.

Which includes, IIRC, me, Edrees, Kos-Mos, Metatitan, Razmakazi, Susannayouuu, etc etc...

See? This is why I did not want Peach players (really you) in here. Cause you tend to get stuff mixed up and don't read clearly and assume. First off learn to read Clearly

"well when it comes to high tiers characters Vs Peach, the high thier characters usually think they win"

Not al the time. Ususally. And why is that. Cause:

-Peach cant kill well
- air dodge
- camp lolololol (don't know why people even say "lol" like that, so stupid to me.
- We kill better.

"can at least explain myself and get into deatail about the match up. if people don't wanna believe it then fine. I did my part as a member."

^ thats also what I said. Thats what I have heard from all high tier boards. not from EVERYONE but what I come across alot when it comes to Better characters in this game Vs Peach.

DEHF said what he said and I agree with it. So it was nothing against him or what you assumed. Cause he did not come off as most people would.

And all you WC Peach players that played Falco over there, they are better players then you are. Meta is not even all that with peach and hardly enter tournes with her to begin with. Sunanna can't deal with Falco. The vid of edreese Vs Sk92 was him doing silly things that none of the Peach players on your end could point out expect me and vanz, thinking he was playing it right. Kos-Mos only knows the diddy match up which he admittied himself to me and I have that on file if he wanted to lie about it. And I am not even gonna start with you cause I want you out of here.

See why I don't want Peach mainers in here? If the ones that agree with me. it is gonna cause problems cause of you assuming like you just did and can't seem to read clearly. I am not in the mood to fight here, and nether do these people wanna see drama.

So Last time I will ask you nicely. Please stay out of this, same with other peach players.

 

[6Mizu]

This is a good thread. I'll know what the MU is as soon as i play against my friend who
recently picked up peach.

Btw, hi guys, i'm new to the falco boards. I've decided to
falco. and so far it's looking good. I'm planing to play falco as my secondary.

I know, no one care but I do not think I'm gonna be picking Falco up.
Just putting it out there.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I got 2 stocked by a Peach today 'cause of bad habits and poor OoS work.

Playing the way I did is the only way this matchup is 5:5.

 

[erick gm14]

I got 2 stocked by A Peach today 'cause of bad habits and poor OoS work.

Playing the way I did is the only way this matchup is 5:5.

quote "A peach" not "THE" Peach. drk peach is probs the best peach. its def a hard MU... even IF u play your best, peachs combo game, cancels, turnips(stiches), kill game, is better than ours.. try SDIing out of a couble of dairs and the up air string.

 

[Denzi]

try SDIing out of a couple of dairs and the up air string.

I don't think it's possible to SDI out of her Dair. Might be able to DI the last hit to avoid the Uair though.

 

[swordsaint]

quote "A peach" not "THE" Peach. drk peach is probs the best peach. its def a hard MU... even IF u play your best, peachs combo game, cancels, turnips(stiches), kill game, is better than ours.. try SDIing out of a couble of dairs and the up air string.

I might also add that Gunmaster is just A Falco and not THE Falco.

 

[Kaffei]

1 "pro" peach is mad so he makes a thread about it, while excluding all peaches except himself.

What is the point? Excuse my ignorance.

 

[Denzi]

What is the point? Excuse my ignorance.

I have no idea and I am also curious as to what the answer may be.

 

[swordsaint]

I three.
10chars.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

I might also add that Gunmaster is just A Falco and not THE Falco.

DEHF is "THE" Falco. For sure though, this was not a good day 4 me to be playin' online.

@Topic, I think we're done w/ this matchup discussion. Honestly, it's bad enough that a fellow won't accept the truth, but he doesn't want assistance from his comrads...

 

[Kaffei]

I have no idea and I am also curious as to what the answer may be.

I think this thread is comparable to 1 Zelda vs 5 billion MKs.

 

[swordsaint]

Haha, I meant no offense by it. DW GML.

 

[Chuee]

drk peach is probs the best peach.

lol bias

its def a hard MU... even IF u play your best, peachs combo game, cancels, turnips(stiches), kill game, is better than ours.. try SDIing out of a couble of dairs and the up air string.

Stiches? Those rarely ever come up. Falco's kill game isn't that bad. I don't think it's worse than peach's.
Falco's Usmash and Bair are decent kill moves and aren't that hard to get.

 

[Bloodcross]

Same with Bleachigo. Really afterwhat he did to DM.

You mean when Bleach ***** DM in MK dittos at No Maps?

GL changing history of mankind (in MU's)... I really don't know what to add that can overturn your thinking.