D-throw Uair Footstool: 2 ways, both amazing!

[Roller]

I meant DI reading and thundering after being the possible kill...

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

If they DI away from the U-smash you won't get thunder.

If they DI up from the nair they won't die.

If they don't DI the U-smash there is a TINY chance of getting hit by thunder

If they don't DI the nair they are fine.

 

[Pikabunz]

Cg'ing to 100% > upsmash/nair is still a better option than the footstool thing.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I agree, but it is something that you can get if you T-jolt him above 30% or something.

 

[Roller]

smh, that was my only point. I just added the possibly kill him thing as an aside because it has happened. Don't tell me you've never ever killed a character we can cg to 100+ with a Usmash to thunder before.

 

[Tommy_G]

Am I missing something? Since when is a 100%+ combo> a 0-death?

 

[Syko_Lemming]

Am I missing something? Since when is a 100%+ combo> a 0-death?

The 100+ combo is really easy. You can learn the timing in a few days at most. The 0-death is balls hard. Like the super wavedash in melee.


In a tournament setting you really want consistency. You grab him at 0%, you have two choices:
A) CG for a near-guaranteed 100+%
B) Get to about 40% and take a long shot at getting a kill right there.

If you choose option A you also can finish with a fresh nair, which sends falco off-stage, which he doesn't particularly like.

 

[Yikarur]

. Like the super wavedash in melee.
.

that's not comparable hard at all.

 

[Tagxy]

**** Pikachu mains want everything to be soooo easy.

Nothings being missed.

 

[Kenrawr]

i think it may be harder than SWD lol.

argh so much buffering

 

[Yikarur]

I meant it is WAY harder then SWD.

 

[Tagxy]

Pika has a super wave dash too =[

 

[Syko_Lemming]

I suppose that's true. What would be a good melee equivalent? Could something in brawl be *gasp* ...more technical than melee?

Pika has a super wave dash too =[

How?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

SWD is hard as **** guys....1 frame PERFECT timing...stfu lol. You guys don't play Melee samus, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW!

But yeah, this is easy. Go to training mode son. You got this.

 

[Kenrawr]

my lil bro and melee technical impaired friend even got SWD down ROFL

maybe the idea of buffering is still strange to me tho.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Pikachu is a troll.... a very good one.

 

[Yikarur]

I can SWD Constantly, it's not that hard, one frame window means nothing if the input is easy.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Lol why am I backwards to you guys...

 

[Pikabunz]

New discovery!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUtUo7jOGGU

With this we can actually buffer a reverse uair. This might be better than doing a buffered dash uair.

Buffer Input:
Back, Down, Jump, Uair

 

[NickRiddle]

I'm more impressed with DDD infiniting Snake now.
Which is too funny.

 

[Leaf.]

Man, and I was just getting that run crap down, too.
At least my Nair is helped...

 

[Captain L]

stick with the running one for now, it has less inputs so unless this one is dramatically more effective it's probably not worth it.


Although one thing I'd be interested to see is if buffered turn around utilt is an effective setup for footstool shenanigans, or if it's even a true combo.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

The new reverse uair is much easier for me. It seems easier since you can quarter circle the back-down thing, and then from down going to up is easy, as opposed to doing dash forward, return stick to neutral, then go slightly up. I wanna make my video but I want to have somebody with me so that people know I'm doing it legit...**** my brother for not being home

 

[Syko_Lemming]

Do you still have to use the control stick + A to do the upair if you're doing the reverse upair? Cause the Cstick would make it oodles easier.

 

[Pikabunz]

Using the c-stick always makes you upsmash. :/

It helps if you have back already held before the buffer frames so you don't waste frames pressing back. So immediately after you dthrow hold back then wait for the buffer frames to do crouch>uair.

 

[ElNoNombreHombre]

You can use the C-stick if you set it to "attack" rather than "smash" (I think it's the only way I've gotten the dash uair successfully), but I doubt the benefit of this is worth what you lose.

 

[Yikarur]

Tilt sticking sucks D:

 

[KayLo!]

Tilt sticking sucks D:

^

What this guy said.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

You can use the C-stick if you set it to "attack" rather than "smash" (I think it's the only way I've gotten the dash uair successfully), but I doubt the benefit of this is worth what you lose.

I may try that out if I have too much trouble the normal way.

Tilt sticking sucks D:

^

What this guy said.

Why is it such a bad thing?

 

[Yikarur]

with tilt sticking you can't SDI with the Stick, you can't buffer smashes with ease (except for upsmash).
I can't image there is everyone that dsmashes with the stick, look at that MK Tutorial Vids!

I think the first point is the most important one.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

Yes, I didn't realize you lost the ability to SDI with the C-stick. I won't even bother with it, aha.

 

[Ussi]

Tilt sticking SUCKS HARD WITH PIKACHU! YOU WILL NEVER GET ANYTHING BUT A JUMP -_-

..... But its epic with Ike :> Hello mobile nairs

 

[Syko_Lemming]

Does doing the buffered reverse upair change the %s the footstool shenanigans works at?

 

[KayLo!]

..... But its epic with Ike :> Hello mobile nairs

Uhh, you can do mobile nairs with the A button too.

 

[_Kadaj_]

K Prime test Marth stuff for me

 

[Ussi]

Uhh, you can do mobile nairs with the A button too.

There is a significant difference with how mobile Ike can be with the a button and tilt stick. I don't have to stop holding a direction to nair now. His acceleration is slow ._.; so every frame in movement counts

Unless you mean i can nair with the smash stick?

 

[KayLo!]

Be faster at hitting the A button after letting go of the control stick, and the difference won't be that big. =P

 

[toobusytocare]

why do you have to buffer a down input for the 2nd method?

can't you just buffer a turn around then a jump>uair? <_<

 

[Pikabunz]

Dunno, Brawl is just weird.

If you try to do turn-around > jump > uair, you will just get jump > uair.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

And if you wait to not buffer the jump uair, opponents can get out.