D-throw Uair Footstool: 2 ways, both amazing!

[[FBC] ESAM]

It works, it just gets really annoying and sometimes you lose track of going slight down on the 2nd one since you are more rushed with it. It would be good to get a little extra damage.

 

[SSBBWorm]

Interesting, will quick attack locks work at any percent

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Yep, from 0-999%. D-tilt locks at very low %, and jab locks start at like 70%. Just so you guys know, you can jab and then grab. Its more of a thunders combo than a lock though.

 

[SSBBWorm]

Nice so if you dthrow uair footstool someone you win that stock 9 times out of 10.

 

[Roller]

Nice so if you dthrow uair footstool someone you win that stock 9 times out of 10.

Not necessarily. They can SDI to the edge, and if they aren't at jab lock percent by that point then they get out.

 

[Life]

Do they have forced getup after you QAL them? Because then you can QAL until they get near the ledge, grab as they get up, and do the footstool combo again. And based on the percent list at the beginning, everyone can be footstool combo'd until at least 70%. Which is when the jablock begins working.

Perhaps Worm is closer to the truth than it seems?

EDIT: Nope, QAL doesn't seem to cause forced getup. Although I've noticed something odd when you jab a character that's down when they're too low to percent lock. I think there might be a way to jab once and cause them to get up (instead of standing instantly), setting them up for a regrab. Will investigate in the morning.

 

[SSBBWorm]

I finally figured out how to quick attack cancel thx esam going one way and down i find to be much, much easier

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Uh....I already know that happens inferiority.

However, the QAL will refresh the moves and it won't really work that long...

 

[Roller]

EDIT: Nope, QAL doesn't seem to cause forced getup. Although I've noticed something odd when you jab a character that's down when they're too low to percent lock. I think there might be a way to jab once and cause them to get up (instead of standing instantly), setting them up for a regrab. Will investigate in the morning.

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[SSBBWorm]

Ok so is it just me or is Pika like the hardest character ever to learn... Chaingrabs, buffered chaingrabs, qac, qal, camping, spamming, not even to mention how Pika should be played.

 

[Roller]

Ok so is it just me or is Pika like the hardest character ever to learn... Chaingrabs, buffered chaingrabs, qac, qal, camping, spamming, not even to mention how Pika should be played.

First of all, this may not be the thread to ask this question in. You should check out the PGD (pikachu general discussion). It's our social thread in which the pikas just talk about whatever. (I would have put this Q there or in the Questions/answers thread.)

But yes, pikachu is one of the toughest characters to learn from a techskill perspective. I'd put him in the top 3-4. I also play the ICs, and personally I believe they are more difficult to learn. Because not only are there multiple cgs to learn, with a different weight (and timing) for every character, you also have to buffer them, you have to know when is best to use which, there is also bthrow hobbling, fthrow hobbling, dthrow hobbling, uthrow hobbling (though this one is by no means needed), and the myriad of viable desynching techniques, and what to follow with after desynching.

Falco also has a lot of techniques to learn, as do marth, diddy, and a number of others. So yes, pika has a lot to learn at first, but most characters have at least a good amount of ATs to learn when they are starting out. Don't worry though, eventually many of these techniques will become incredibly easy for you.

 

[SSBBWorm]

First of all, this may not be the thread to ask this question in. You should check out the PGD (pikachu general discussion). It's our social thread in which the pikas just talk about whatever. (I would have put this Q there or in the Questions/answers thread.)

But yes, pikachu is one of the toughest characters to learn from a techskill perspective. I'd put him in the top 3-4. So yes, pika has a lot to learn at first, but most characters have at least a good amount of ATs to learn when they are starting out. Don't worry though, eventually many of these techniques will become incredibly easy for you.

Thx for not just saying post ... here. Now im on to pivoting and qal, I can do other necessary moves. Unnecessary to respond as this is unrelated to dthrow uair footstool. Soooo.. yeah dthrow uair footstool i gotta learn that too.

 

[Leaf.]

Don't be in a rush to learn it.

...but don't be like me and use the above line as a john to not practice.

 

[SSBBWorm]

I heard footstool doesn't work if they di in any way

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

If they SDI it mad hard maybe, but I'm pretty sure you still get it if you can follow them.

 

[SSBBWorm]

If they SDI it mad hard maybe, but I'm pretty sure you still get it if you can follow them.

You need to do it in a match and get it up on youtube it will inspire Pika's everywhere.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I did it against Tyrant at MLG...****ed up the QA lock but still.

 

[SSBBWorm]

This is why you are the best Pikachu.
1. Because you can do anything and everything.
2. Because you are the best Pikachu
3. Because you checked out my song
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295674

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Listen, I appreciate the effort of making a song but....it is pretty terrible, please stop advertising it >_>

Please keep the discussion relevant to what we are talking about...no tangents. That is what the social thread is for.

 

[SSBBWorm]

Are there any differences in the two different ways? Or do they both work? And at the same percent. I mean differences other than how you execute.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Do you think it would be easier to set a different button to jump because every time I try to buffer the uair with Y as jump, it doesn't register and I get an usmash.

 

[Tommy_G]

Do you think it would be easier to set a different button to jump because every time I try to buffer the uair with Y as jump, it doesn't register and I get an usmash.

If you press up+a(even not as a smash up) in the jump frames before leaving the ground, it'll do an up smash.

However, there is hope. You can hold the control stick up very very very VERY slightly and proceed to jump and press a and itll uair instead of canceling into the Up smash.

......And i thought this was a different thread......oh well

All that above applies in a stand still, idk how it works with the Dthrow uair.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Yeah, you have to just hold up really slightly. Practice FH uairing immediately and you will eventually get the finger position right.

 

[NETOmx]

Actually I can do this technique but I only can do when my opponent is in my right.

Lets to practice.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I it's easier when they are on the right, probably because it's the dominant side.

 

[Roller]

Any chance somebody can make a gif of this (both methods) going frame by frame, like prime did for the buffered cg?

I am able to perform this somewhat (reverse uair method), but I don't have another player here with me when I'm not at school, so for all I know I could be timing some step of it completely wrong.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Go to training mode and turn the help on. If the combo counter goes up, you are doing it right.