D-throw Uair Footstool: 2 ways, both amazing!

[NickRiddle]

ESAM told me he's at like 33% success rate right now.
By the end of the week, I'm betting it's at least 66%.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

no if you use the c-stick you get a jump cancelled upsmash, you have to tilt the stick high enough to not get a nair and low enough to not get an upsmash.
you could try to time the uair perfectly with the c-stick but even then the uair is at least one frame slower then the buffered one.

I wish I knew about this earlier, lol.

 

[PZ]

no if you use the c-stick you get a jump cancelled upsmash, you have to tilt the stick high enough to not get a nair and low enough to not get an upsmash.
you could try to time the uair perfectly with the c-stick but even then the uair is at least one frame slower then the buffered one.

If you DJ instead of just a FH or SH would you still get a jump-cancelled usmash?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Thats a good question...

 

[Yikarur]

you can't DJ instantly. you have always jump-start-up which gets cancelled by upsmash then.

So: yes

 

[PZ]

Some1 should have a picture of how far ur thumb or finger should be on the control stick for buffered uairs :S ika:

 

[KayLo!]

Depends on the controller.... some are more sensitive than others, so a picture wouldn't really help.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

assume the controller is seven l's long. You need it on the 5th (1-3 are bottom, 4 is middle, 5-7 are up).

 

[PZ]

Im pretty sure the more modern gamecube controllers are more sensitive than the controllers that come with the gamecube.

As for wiimote its kinda harsh but still possible.

Nunchuck and classic shouldnt be too much of a problem if you know the controller well.

There is a simple way to use uair after or in the lag of something by just holding up then uair but since this is all buffered that option wont do any good unless u can move ur fingers fast and accurate.

Therefore a old gamecube controller would work best while wiimote would be the worst for the stupid directional pad<.<

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Its so weird...I have like a 66% success when Pika is facing right...but like a 10% when facing left. **** man....so weird.

 

[KayLo!]

I always have an easier time doing stuff to the right, lol. I think that's pretty natural if you're right-handed.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

But either way you are doing it with your left hand so why does that matter...

 

[KayLo!]

You're changing which direction you're moving your fingers.

Not saying it's physically impossible or anything, but most people (from what I've heard) have a slightly easier time doing techniques in one direction over another. Just takes a little extra practice to get over, though.

 

[Kenrawr]

yep pretty much.

 

[global-wolf]

One direction involves your thumb pushing the control stick (right) and one involves it pulling the control stick towards the hand (left). I personally think doing stuff facing left is easier and I'm right handed.

Edit: Ninja'd 2x >.>

 

[Ussi]

You're changing which direction you're moving your fingers.

Not saying it's physically impossible or anything, but most people (from what I've heard) have a slightly easier time doing techniques in one direction over another. Just takes a little extra practice to get over, though.

I agree with this, I have an easier time doing ledge hop AD from the left ledge instead of the right. Going right is more natural to me.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

But either way you are doing it with your left hand so why does that matter...

I can do reverse shff lasers with falco in melee to the right a lot easier than to the left. I probably just naturally practiced one way more than the other.

 

[lmntolp]

But either way you are doing it with your left hand so why does that matter...

I think it's that when your thumb is resting it doesn't point directly up, so exactly right means you have to extend your thumb a little and exactly left means you have to pull your thumb in a little bit by flexing it which makes it a little less precise imo. I'm a lefty and I still have more trouble doing things on the left side .

 

[Nicholas1024]

Hey ESAM, got this mastered yet? You need to win MLG Dallas for the pika boards.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Got it like 60% down in real match. I got this on Seibrik a few times.

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Please change the title to:
D-throw Buffer Dash Uair

Run is done after the initial dash. Dash is what you're doing the buffered u-air out of.

 

[Ussi]

Did you practice on a HDTV?

 

[KayLo!]

Did you practice on a HDTV?

What a silly question..... that's all ESAM knows. ;;

 

[BlueZebra]

I almost pulled it off the other day, I just can't seem to get the controls to do what I want them to do. D:

questions:

Should I buffer the dash the same time I would normally buffer a grab(CG's)?

Having major trouble timing the uair>footstool. Help?

I saw my friend attempt a dthrow>utilt>jump into uair>footstool. would utilt be a viable option or can they DI out of it easier than the buffer dash?

Could someone please put more example vids up on the first post, that'd be pretty awesome?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

You can do the dash jump a little earlier than the normal grab timing...idk why.

I'll have the vid up soon probably...

 

[Leaf.]

So, I was messing around with this yesterday, and I had it nearly perfect.

In 2/3 speed.
But it doesn't seem like too tough a thing to practice. I was actually picking it up fairly nicely. Who knows, if I practice really hard and get the numbers down, I may do it at MLG this weekend.

 

[Zodiark]

If it doesn't show 2 consecutives hit in training a human will be able to escape from it ?

 

[KayLo!]

I don't get the point of practicing in 2/3 speed. You're gonna have to retrain your fingers all over again when you go to normal speed anyways, so why not practice that way from the beginning?

 

[PZ]

If it doesn't show 2 consecutives hit in training a human will be able to escape from it ?

Pretty sure not but a cpu dodges as soon as it is possible and that help thing is ******** on somethings.

 

[Leaf.]

Well, I'm only practicing in 2/3 to get a feel for it, and to see what it looks like. I just speed up from there once I know I'm doing it right, just doing it slow.

And, yeah, I was doing it on diddy at 40, and had someone practicing with me and it didn't say 2 consecutive, but he couldn't footstool me.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

If he doesn't get 2 consecutive they can footstool you. Computers don't jump on frame 1.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

I don't get the point of practicing in 2/3 speed. You're gonna have to retrain your fingers all over again when you go to normal speed anyways, so why not practice that way from the beginning?

The ratios for the time inbetween each move stay the same, so you can figure out when to do them by looking at it in 2/3's, then speeding them up to scale.

 

[KayLo!]

Ah, I see. Just seems like unnecessary work when you can practice at normal speed in the first place. ><

 

[Zodiark]

ESAM , you should add the %s needed for the jab lock just like in that thread :http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=238293&highlight=potential .
It might be very useful

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Jab locks are weird though...the first hit may lock, but then it diminishes and then they don't get locked after 2 or 3...annoying testing...

 

[Zodiark]

The %s aren't the same with a normal jab lock ? Pretty weird indeed . If it wasn't the case you could have paste it from a thread who already exists D: .

And , I have a question . If I CG a falco until ~50% , then I footstool him , jablock and thunder . Is this a true 0-death combo ?

 

[Roller]

Just cg Falco to 100+ and usmash. No reason to do something risky when you can get over 100% and possibly kill him, easily.

 

[Tommy_G]

Just cg Falco to 100+ and usmash. No reason to do something risky when you can get over 100% and possibly kill him, easily.

Or practice a legit 0-death combo.

No Falco player would let you kill them with up smash out of the cg unless it's on a really high platform and DI wouldn't save him. In that case, Falco shouldn't be getting grabbed up there anyways.

**** Pikachu mains want everything to be soooo easy.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Falco should never be dying from a CG. He can literally have no DI and he won't die from either. If he is DIing, look at his controller and pick the appropriate option.

 

[Yikarur]

. If he is DIing, look at his controller and pick the appropriate option.

that's not sportmanslike! D: