D-throw Uair Footstool: 2 ways, both amazing!

[Pikabunz]

Some examples of the buffered dash uair > footstool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtw0HvpNc4

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Key

Nothing said = Running FH Uair
SH = Running SH uair
NR FH = No Run Full Hop uair (Haven't encountered any of these yet)
NR SH = No Run Short hop uair (Haven't encountered any of these yet)

All %s are slightly off due to Training mode having different knockback. TO be safe, use these %s for the D-throw uair, but be advised when using the uair that the %s are a little less (The uair %s are basically when uair footstool stops working)

MK
30%-54%

Snake
37%-65% if stale D-throw fresh uair will work until 80%


Diddy
40-58% If can D-throw due to staleness, Fresh uair has right knockback until 77%


Falco
SH 30%-54% Fresh uair has right knockback until 73%



IC
33%-57% fresh uair has right knockback until 77%


Marth
31%-45%


Wario
36%-63% fresh uair has right knockback until 83%


King D3
37%-64% fresh uair has right knockback until 86%


Pikachu

SH 30%-37%
FH 41-53%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 72%

 

[Pikabunz]

We may have a TRUE 0-death on Fox, Wolf, Sheik, and Captain Falcon.

Like for Wolf, cg to about 110% then dthrow to buffer dash double jump and press jump again after the double jump to footstool him. After that, just QA straight down and jab to fsmash/thunder. There's no way he can DI away to avoid the QA since he's so low to the ground.

 

[bigman40]

I would prefer that you don't let people know unless you tested it. Causes unnecessary hype. However, this would be great if it does happen to work.

 

[Pikabunz]

I got a vid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6azuicDSw

I tried using an aerial, jumping, and reflector to escape but it didn't work. :o

 

[Leaf.]

That. Is. Amazing.
Bringing back memories of Smash 64 with a 0-death.

 

[bigman40]

Wolf mains better play much gayer now. I find it funny how more stuff that is found for Pika equals more **** matchups for his already good ones. This won't boost him that much unless he has similar options on other characters (preferably his more troublesome matchups).

 

[The Truth!]

Why doesnt it work on Falco, Snake, or DDD? Or MK at lower percent. I mean what causes them to escape.

 

[Pikabunz]

Not enough hitstun/they pop up too high after dthrow.

It could be possible for it to work on one of them. (hmm) Maybe you need the right percent balance. High enough for max hitstun and low enough for low pop up.

 

[DEHF]

I hope you die Esam, I hate you and everything you stand for!!!!!!

 

[Roller]

Interesting. Will test some stuff.
Nice vid Prime.
ESAM, can you make a vid for what we can do to each character with this, at what percents? Like you did with the buffered Dthrow cg back in the day. Or Prime... Whoever feels like it. I think it would be immensely helpful.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I'll probably do it, but i need to test everybody first...which is pretty tedious. 9 characters in 2 hours about...so yeah. I'll do as much as I can today.

GOOD **** WITH THAT PRIME!

 

[SuSa]

Note to self:

Keep updated to see if Pikachu's ever, EVER, do this in tournament.

Camp harder to avoid the grab...

 

[Gah777]

Yeah I wanna see someone do this in a tourney. Looks at ESAM and Anther...

But seriously, this is amazing.

 

[~Radiance~]

this will def be worth my time and effort. good find guys, itd be great to see more pikas using qal in tourney.

 

[Cubone]

If they do SDI the uair, is there no way we can follow it?

 

[Roller]

If they do SDI the uair, is there no way we can follow it?

Depends how well they DI it, but if they know what they're doing then it would appear we can't get them. But how many players are really going to DI pika's Uair? Most people I play against don't think anything of it.

 

[Cubone]

Depends how well they DI it, but if they know what they're doing then it would appear we can't get them. But how many players are really going to DI pika's Uair? Most people I play against don't think anything of it.

I would imagine a lot more people are going to SDI it once this is shown in a match. I'm sure quite a few will start now even though this hasn't been seen.

 

[Wiscus]

I cant wait to see all of you pulling off spectacular wins using this.
Great work and nice videos too :3

 

[stingers]

i laughed at that video prime. this is amazing

 

[Ussi]

if ESAM does this at DC, **** is gonna fly

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

MK
30%-54%
Fresh uair will have right knockback until 71%

Snake
37%-65%
Fresh uair will have right knockback until 80%

Diddy
40-58%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 77%

Falco
SH 30%-54%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 73%

IC
33%-57%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 77%

Marth
31%-45%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 75%

Wario
36%-63%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 83%

King D3
37%-64%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 86%

Pikachu

SH 30%-37%
FH 41-53%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 72%

Olimar
30%-39%
Fresh uair has right knockbac until 73%

G&W
29%-50%
Fresh uair has right knockbac until 70%

Pit
30%-58% Fresh uair has right knockback until 78%

Toon Link
33%-52%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 77%

ZSS
30%-50%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 72%

Kirby
30%-41%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 71%

ROB
36%-43%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 84%

DK
37%-66%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 87%

Luigi
34%-49%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 79%

PT

Squirtle
36-51%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 70%

Ivysaur
34%-60%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 80%


Charizard
37%-64%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 85

Sonic
33-58%
Fresh
Fresh uair has right knockback until 78%

Ness
33%-58%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 78%

Bowser
39%-67%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 89%

Lucas
33%-58%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 78%

Ike
35%-62%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 83%

Yoshi
36%-63%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 83%

Mario
34%-59%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 80%

Link
35%-62%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 82%

Ganon
36%-63%
Fresh uair has right knockback until 84%


Samus, Jigglypuff, Peach, Lucario, and Zelda cannot be footstooled.

Wolf, Sheik, Captain Falcon, and Fox can be footstooled directly out of D-throw CG at high %s (with a buffer run double jump then footstool)

 

[stingers]

this. is. incredible

 

[_Kadaj_]

Really **** dude

 

[Zodiark]

Wow good job ESAM & Kprime

Can't wait for the each character vid

 

[The Truth!]

ESAM if youre going to give credit to people in the original post then you should at least include Yikarur. It was his idea to do the dash to jump to aerial.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I'll probably do that either today or tomorrow. My brother is going to a tournament and I want to do it WITHOUT frame by frame so that you actually get what it will be like.

Very good point Truth!

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

D3 is weird....can somebody help retest him?

 

[global-wolf]

I can't wait to see someone use this in a match! ESAM, K Prime, and Yikarur, you guys are all amazing =D

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I hope that people aren't commenting because they are practicing

 

[Syko_Lemming]

I was trying the wolf 0-death one. You can't buffer both the dash and the double jump. You have to wait for the run then hit jump twice, which makes it tricky, especially with lag.



EDIT: When you say you'd like someone to help retest DDD, do you mean someone with that frame by frame thing Prime had? Cause if not, I could probably try it some.

 

[Life]

This thread would make me switch to Pika, if not for the technical skill barrier. Def gonna try to learn the character at least but it won't be tournament-ready any time soon (obviously).

Thanks you three. *ESAM hype*

 

[Roller]

lol@ your name in conjunction with your post.

 

[Zodiark]

Does the 0-death work on Falco too ? We can chaingrab him juste like Shiek or Fox so I thought it would work .

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

It doesn't work. He pops out too high. The only reason it works on the 4 is because they pop out like RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. When CGing, we get them in the entirety of our vertical grab range. When CGing Falco, we only get the tip of out vertical grab range.

I was trying the wolf 0-death one. You can't buffer both the dash and the double jump. You have to wait for the run then hit jump twice, which makes it tricky, especially with lag.

You can buffer a run and double jump. You just can't buffer those 3 AND a footstool.

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

Updated D3. The old %s were correct, but you had to be frame perfect with moving backwards, so the new %s are easier.

Also, formatted to current Tier list as opposed to old tier list.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

You can buffer a run and double jump. You just can't buffer those 3 AND a footstool.

Hmm, maybe this is my problem. I run, then mash the jump button as fast as I can. The buffer only holds up to 3 inputs?

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

I think...

BTW, guys, DON'T PRACTICE THIS WITHOUT ANOTHER PERSON. YOU WILL GET THE WRONG TIMING AND IT WILL **** YOU UP

Seriously...

 

[GreenAce]

This looks cool as ****. As soon I can borrow my friends wii i'll practice.

 

[Syko_Lemming]

How does practicing against a computer screw up your timing?