Fletch
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I meant idiots in general, although typing posts with no punctuation/capitalization/sense of the English language is usually indicative that you are not a very bright poster.
Gimpy is an exception.
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Crushing the Competitive Spirit
- Thread starter Jam Stunna
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Wind Owl
Smash Lord
ur dum
10malva00s
Advance
Smash Apprentice
Wow, after all that writing, and all that time to read it, you just say "ur dum".
Jeez, way to go.
Blackshadow
Smash Ace
I think you lost your Enter key after you posted that. Here, let me put it back on for you. That's better.Advance said:
flizzz
Smash Cadet
wow it amuses me to see how tough people can be over MESSAGE BOARDS but yeah as i said before im done this stupidity contest. and to add to the topic i like mithx's way of puting things
if your gonna play gaylee then play gaylee
if your gonna play godly brawl play godly brawl
but at the end of the day just stop complaining and smash
if your gonna play gaylee then play gaylee
if your gonna play godly brawl play godly brawl
but at the end of the day just stop complaining and smash
Trifroze
all is cheese, all is jank
This may seem stupid, but in brawl you have to work to win as well, just in a different (and worse) way. It's because of the lack of techs actually. Players are more even with each other cause they can't boost their skill with techs, so they have to get the win some other way. Try as hard as you can I guess.
Melee had techs and combos, Brawl has luck and mindgames.
Melee had techs and combos, Brawl has luck and mindgames.
Suntan Luigi
Smash Lord
Very well written post Jam. I wish I could write like that 
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I play both games from time to time. We have monthly tournaments where we used to play Melee but switched to Brawl soon after its release. I was never able to reach top ranks in the Melee time but rose to first place in Brawl (in my state). Even after reaching the top, the game was still boring. The main reason I go to these monthlies is to play Melee friendlies with Brawl Singles as a side event. That's how much I dislike Brawl.
I enjoyed getting ***** in Melee but not destroying others in Brawl. It's as though my brain is oozing out of my ears while playing such a laid back game. Jam explained in detail well-written examples on how Brawl is crushing the competitive spirit. Who cares if the community is growing if all the people who are joining are whiny scrubs? I'd rather keep the same 30 people and play Melee rather than have 300 scrubs join in and play slow-mo with me.
I was quite disappointed when I saw that people were actually debating about whether Metaknight should be banned or not. We've fallen into such a situation where we are considering the removal of a character. This never happened in Melee! It's a sign that our community is going downhill.
If newer people are not willing to learn new techs, they should not be able to remain at the same level as an average smasher.
. I play both games from time to time. We have monthly tournaments where we used to play Melee but switched to Brawl soon after its release. I was never able to reach top ranks in the Melee time but rose to first place in Brawl (in my state). Even after reaching the top, the game was still boring. The main reason I go to these monthlies is to play Melee friendlies with Brawl Singles as a side event. That's how much I dislike Brawl.
I enjoyed getting ***** in Melee but not destroying others in Brawl. It's as though my brain is oozing out of my ears while playing such a laid back game. Jam explained in detail well-written examples on how Brawl is crushing the competitive spirit. Who cares if the community is growing if all the people who are joining are whiny scrubs? I'd rather keep the same 30 people and play Melee rather than have 300 scrubs join in and play slow-mo with me.
I was quite disappointed when I saw that people were actually debating about whether Metaknight should be banned or not. We've fallen into such a situation where we are considering the removal of a character. This never happened in Melee! It's a sign that our community is going downhill.
If newer people are not willing to learn new techs, they should not be able to remain at the same level as an average smasher.
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
I didn't contradict myself in my post.
Also.lol at it takes more thought to win at Brawl then it does Melee. lulz
I have hopes for Brawl and I'll see if it gets anywhere but clearly More thought, More tech skill= Melee.
The better player wasn't the one who could hit the buttons faster. the better player was the one with better mindgames.
"You should rethink your post. You seem to be contradicting yourself at least once."
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
Dude.....Have my babies D:
Cinder
Smash Master
Fix'd...
Seriously, the only people that talk trash about Melee like that are butthurt little Brawl***s that either never played Melee or made ******** chimps look good at it...
Mith_
Smash Champion
I've never played Melee the way you probably do, that's why I don't have an opinion about it.
How can one say they like Brawl better when they've never played Melee you know?
Discolicious
Smash Apprentice
Lol at more thought being required in brawl than in melee. You just have a lot more time to think in the 14 seconds between attacks in brawl.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
oh man, today, man yo guys, i, like my spirit, my competitive spirit, is just crushed, this person kept playing mk and i couldn't win with my character ganon, like WTH! he's been playing for only 2 days! im so crushed
Cinder
Smash Master
MK...you were fighting an MK...
'nuff said...
'nuff said...
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
This thread is crushing the competitive spirit lulz!
chaddd
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Very, very well put, sir. You might not be reading this, but you are the type of person that inspires others, and people like you are few and far between. Overcoming simply to prove to yourself you can is a trait of greatness, and players like yourself are exactly what this community needs more of.
SamuraiPanda
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Meh, I disagree with this on many levels, and I feel that many of your stances are simply due to the negative mindset you have towards the game. And I also disagree with people claiming that Melee has more thought (although I'm not saying Brawl has more than Melee, either). Frankly, I find it silly that this debate still exists, and that people still compare Brawl to Melee. They are two different games. You don't have to like both.
Denzi
Smash Master
Words spoken by The Great Panda = truth.
-West Coast Wes-
Smash Journeyman
These are my thoughts.
It is natural for us to feel sad and angry about brawl, it is a sequel, or if u don't think it is, you cannot deny the fact that it is a game in a series, that until now, was perfect (yes 64 is deep, wonderful and responsive). I guess the big thing for me is that I think melee could be even better, and to see that not happen is really painful for me, especially when game communities like Street Fighter's are getting support from Capcom -- Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD.
Its like people who are into Scandinavian death metal versus people who like Hip Hop. The death metal crowd are fewer, yet more passionate. Those who like hip hop seem to listen casually, their favorites changing from day to day, yet the death metal fan would give his right hand for the next Wintersun album, or rather would give a limb for the progression of the genre.
Yes this is a generalization, but that is ok, what is important here is that, regardless of what it is we are fighting for, our outcry has been ill received. For those of us who are sensitive and passionate, this simple fact acts as reminder or symbol of life's greater disappointments.
Video games, unlike movies and novels are still so new, and while some are worthy of the praise and study that the latter two receive, the culture that surrounds them is scattered and the levels of appreciation is not so clear.
I think that perhaps we have made a mistake to hate brawl, instead what we should be saying is that we love melee and what makes it so great, and we are deeply hurt that it's qualities are not being acknowledged. I certainly am.
It is natural for us to feel sad and angry about brawl, it is a sequel, or if u don't think it is, you cannot deny the fact that it is a game in a series, that until now, was perfect (yes 64 is deep, wonderful and responsive). I guess the big thing for me is that I think melee could be even better, and to see that not happen is really painful for me, especially when game communities like Street Fighter's are getting support from Capcom -- Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD.
Its like people who are into Scandinavian death metal versus people who like Hip Hop. The death metal crowd are fewer, yet more passionate. Those who like hip hop seem to listen casually, their favorites changing from day to day, yet the death metal fan would give his right hand for the next Wintersun album, or rather would give a limb for the progression of the genre.
Yes this is a generalization, but that is ok, what is important here is that, regardless of what it is we are fighting for, our outcry has been ill received. For those of us who are sensitive and passionate, this simple fact acts as reminder or symbol of life's greater disappointments.
Video games, unlike movies and novels are still so new, and while some are worthy of the praise and study that the latter two receive, the culture that surrounds them is scattered and the levels of appreciation is not so clear.
I think that perhaps we have made a mistake to hate brawl, instead what we should be saying is that we love melee and what makes it so great, and we are deeply hurt that it's qualities are not being acknowledged. I certainly am.
haha west coast wes posting on the forums i will remember this day forever
Master Raven
Smash Master
Wintersun is the ****.
Blackshadow
Smash Ace
The question here is, how do you think his mindset got that way?SamuraiPanda said:
So what, you're trying to claim they require exactly the same amount of thought? That can't be true, as later in your post...
So clearly they can't require the same amount of thought. So, you actually do think Brawl has more depth than Melee, and you were just trying to cover your ***.
Nintendevil
Smash Ace
Yes because everyone has someone they can brawl with live and has tourneys to go to.
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Remzi
formerly VaBengal
Blackshadow: No, but the amount of thought you put in isn't measurable, but they are obviously close. And it's impossible to distinguish which takes more thought.
Johnny Pteran
Smash Journeyman
Wi-fi.
On another note, I'd just like to make a little comment on this.
Brawl has a more "fairness" involved gameplay. While there are chaingrabs (for God knows why), infinites, and MetaKnight, the gameplay was slowed down and the DI was increased. Now characters with even the s**ttiest recovery have a chance to make it back. Thanks to the better DI, it's also much easier to gimp players' recoveries or edgehog. Multiple airdodges make combos impossible. Combos were lame in my opinion, because once another player got caught in one, there wasn't really an opportunity to escape. So really, first player to start a combo, wins.
And heck, half of being good at Melee was just keeping up with what was going on. I played Melee for a long time before I got Brawl, having fun beating the crap out of my friends, even computers were fun to me. But I never got into "wavedashing" or all that glitchy crap, I just played as my favorite character, Mario, and fought the best I could using the normal additions to the game. Not bulls**t glitchy hax like Wavedashing.
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Hahaha, oh, wow.
Cinder
Smash Master
You clearly have no understanding of competitive Melee...WD isn't a glitch...it was the result of airdodging into the ground, which was exploited...
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
I cringe every time someone says that, too, Cinder, but just let it go
The Dragon
Smash Journeyman
right it wasn't meant to be there but the game engine allows for it hence not a glitch... besides not using everything the game allows you to do is just ignorant, its like playing baseball with only one hand on the bat or without a glove, just not a good idea competitively speaking, i.e. trying to get better in a competitive sense but if your just f,uckin around with friends then who cares.
pyrotek7x7
Smash Ace
Unfortunately, Brawl is online, and Melee isn't. I'd rather play a game where I can play with lag than a game where I can only play computers. >_>
Witchking_of_Angmar
Smash Lord
Saying you have no one to play with is the biggest john I have ever heard/seen.
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Jam Stunna: Well remember that in Melee Fox and Sheik did have stages they did bad on since they both had inherent gameplay weaknesses. MK doesn't really have those, but that's w/e. It's also hard to compare MK to them since the Melee engine gave characters more tools to work with and of course you could unleash devastating punishment as your reward for getting past their bull****. Not so in Brawl.
I mean Sakurai didn't give the community much to work with in this game anyway.
And yeah I feel like people play it cuz it's easy and because Brawl itself has attracted so many people to the community.
But Brawl is still a terrible game and in the face of so many good fighters, I can no longer bring myself to play it. I mean Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix just came out! Why the hell would I play Brawl over that?!
Speaking of that game, it was also made easier for newbies to get into the game, but those changes at the noob level have no effect on the highest level of play. Further proof that Sakurai and his team just didn't care. It's very upsetting when you see other companies go that extra mile for the competitive community simply because they DO care.
Does Namco have to patch Soul Caliber IV to make it more balanced? No they don't. But they do it because they care.
Did Sirlin's team have to make SF2 HD remix more accessible for new players and balanced for hardcore players? No. But they did it because they care.
Did Arc Systems have to rerelease Guilty Gear and rebalance the game each time? No. But they did it because they care.
But Nintendo doesn't care.
It would be better to just go back to Melee or just play other stuff. Other fighting game communities actually pity us because this game is so bad, but we force ourselves to play it. I have friends who are TO's who have seen the effect this game has had on the community and it makes them extremely upset. To see a community go from being excited and engaged in the game to bored and detached must be frustrating to see when you run tournies.
*sigh
I definitely feel you man and what you are saying.
**** this game.
Let's all play Street Fighter IV, BlazBlue, SC IV, and SF2 HD Remix. lol.
I mean Sakurai didn't give the community much to work with in this game anyway.
And yeah I feel like people play it cuz it's easy and because Brawl itself has attracted so many people to the community.
But Brawl is still a terrible game and in the face of so many good fighters, I can no longer bring myself to play it. I mean Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix just came out! Why the hell would I play Brawl over that?!
Speaking of that game, it was also made easier for newbies to get into the game, but those changes at the noob level have no effect on the highest level of play. Further proof that Sakurai and his team just didn't care. It's very upsetting when you see other companies go that extra mile for the competitive community simply because they DO care.
Does Namco have to patch Soul Caliber IV to make it more balanced? No they don't. But they do it because they care.
Did Sirlin's team have to make SF2 HD remix more accessible for new players and balanced for hardcore players? No. But they did it because they care.
Did Arc Systems have to rerelease Guilty Gear and rebalance the game each time? No. But they did it because they care.
But Nintendo doesn't care.
It would be better to just go back to Melee or just play other stuff. Other fighting game communities actually pity us because this game is so bad, but we force ourselves to play it. I have friends who are TO's who have seen the effect this game has had on the community and it makes them extremely upset. To see a community go from being excited and engaged in the game to bored and detached must be frustrating to see when you run tournies.
*sigh
I definitely feel you man and what you are saying.
**** this game.
Let's all play Street Fighter IV, BlazBlue, SC IV, and SF2 HD Remix. lol.
Fletch
Smash Master
Must... fight... urge... to refute this again.
Wind Owl
Smash Lord
Fight it, man, fight it!
Chagen46
Smash Journeyman
Johnny Pteran
Smash Journeyman
lawl yeah, I'm a noob just because I didn't wavedash. It wasn't intentionally put there, so it's an exploitation and/or hax if you use it. End of story.
Mith_
Smash Champion
It wasn't intentionally put in there, but the game makers knew it existed, and didn't remove it. So I'm sure it wasn't an exploitation if they didn't remove it.
Why am I trying to explain anyways >.>
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