0 Buffer doesn't disable DACing, for anybody. I've been doing it all morning, consistently. If anything it's got a tighter window, but that doesn't make it impossible.
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COMPETITIVE Brawl+: Code Agenda
- Thread starter kupo15
- Start date
Rohins
Smash Lord
That dash dance code is so sweet haha. I'm liking the 0 buffer a lot too, removes all those easy mode button mash options. Yeah, it takes away a couple of aerial options but I'm willing to give up those for the sake of precision.
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
just wanna say that CPU samus is freaking bananas!!! play her she will make you cry for your grandma
kupo15
Smash Hero
The numbers correspond
0= no buffering
1= 1 frame
9= 9 frames of buffering
0= no buffering
1= 1 frame
9= 9 frames of buffering
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Deleted member
Guest
ehm A is 10 in hex >_>
Milos
Smash Lord
you should make a hack so that sonic has to jump instantly upon touching the water, or else he drowns.
Nooooooo! My ignorance has been exposed!
Revven
FrankerZ
Kupo, methinks you should update your .gct file with the new shieldstun. 
OK, reporting my findings:
1 buffer feels reeeeeeeeally good.
It really does.
NO! You don't crouch after a fast fall with 1 buffer!
I mean, is it possible? Of course. There is still 1 frame. But it's highly unlikely from all my testing.
I tested a lot of characters, most of which were quick fallers, in order to determine if you still crouched after a SHFFL.
The one I tested most was Link and I nailed SHFFLs continuously and never crouched. Same with Squirtle, and same with Sheik.
I think I only managed to make it happen once - with Sheik, and that was likely my fault instead (I routinely use Dtilt after the SHFFL with Sheik because it's a perfect setup for the Ftilt, so it I probably a reflexively went for the crouch).
Let me just emphasize that I tried REALLY hard to make the buffered crouch happened when I played as Link and Squirtle. I tried over and over and it never happened. I always had perfect segues into the next attack. Those two feel so good, heh.
I think everyone should try out 1 buffer and state what your results are.
From what I'm seeing, 1 buffer is perfect. The game feels great, all those instant aerials are still possible, and there's no crouch after a fastfall.
1 buffer feels reeeeeeeeally good.
It really does.
At 1 buffer, all of those work perfectly, as KayJay has already tested and I am giving second confirmation.
This is the big one for everyone who wants 0 buffer:
NO! You don't crouch after a fast fall with 1 buffer!
I mean, is it possible? Of course. There is still 1 frame. But it's highly unlikely from all my testing.
I tested a lot of characters, most of which were quick fallers, in order to determine if you still crouched after a SHFFL.
The one I tested most was Link and I nailed SHFFLs continuously and never crouched. Same with Squirtle, and same with Sheik.
I think I only managed to make it happen once - with Sheik, and that was likely my fault instead (I routinely use Dtilt after the SHFFL with Sheik because it's a perfect setup for the Ftilt, so it I probably a reflexively went for the crouch).
Let me just emphasize that I tried REALLY hard to make the buffered crouch happened when I played as Link and Squirtle. I tried over and over and it never happened. I always had perfect segues into the next attack. Those two feel so good, heh.
I think everyone should try out 1 buffer and state what your results are.
From what I'm seeing, 1 buffer is perfect. The game feels great, all those instant aerials are still possible, and there's no crouch after a fastfall.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
I was just about to say that, you in my head.Kupo, methinks you should update your .gct file with the new shieldstun.
@Alopex: I say that was don't even use that code at all, there's soooo much controversy with that code and any other value besides 0 = glitchy. Really... I think we should just not mess with the buffer but I'll try 1 anyway since I do agree with sloppy imputs being punished.
kupo15
Smash Hero
methinks thats a good idea...but what values do I use? I don't have my wii to test right now. I hear that the modifier needs to be increased while the weak hits needs 2 subtracted from beforeKupo, methinks you should update your .gct file with the new shieldstun.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
Oh... well I just deleted my old file, waiting for the new one now. I'm going to try these codes out especially because I have the tourney tomorrow at Gametable and I'm bringing these with me.
Heavyarms2050
Smash Ace
methinks its a better idea if someone upload some fresh videos
Well, kupo said he figured out the glitches and the code should be fine.
From personal experience, I have no problems with the buffer code when it is set to 1 frame. Everything works great, feels great, and I haven't come across any issues. Para-pa-pa-paaa, I'm lovin' it.
One thing of note for anyone who was wondering, all my testing was done under normal Brawl gravity.
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Deleted member
Guest
when the old code was 3/4 you use 3/2 in the new shieldstun code, and that or 3/3 are good values I think.
I don't have any trouble with 3 buffer btw, feels very fluid.
I don't have any trouble with 3 buffer btw, feels very fluid.
kupo15
Smash Hero
I hear that old 3/4 acts like 1/4 with the new code. So Im going to suggest for the new code use 4/2...idk
MBlaze
Smash Champion
There's a suggestion in the hit/shield stun thread for a value, waiting on this new file Kupo.
But in the mean time I'm going to play some Melee while still snooping around.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
So if I was using 2.75 for the old weak hit 1 liner code what should I put in for the new code on the additive part?
kupo15
Smash Hero
I have no idea until I get my wii back from NOA. Try 4/2 as a start I guess. (based from what Im hearing about the code)
Give this a try mario
http://rapidshare.com/files/181516243/Brawl_.txt.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/181516244/RSBE01.gct.html
Buffering is not on as a default
XxGUNZxX
Smash Apprentice
I was just wondering if there is any way that we could change the overall sizes of the characters. They just seem too big and clunky and the levels feel to small for them. In SB64 and Melee the characters overall were much smaller compared to the levels. I don't know much about hacking but I am all for Brawl+ as vanilla Brawl just is not fun to me. So I was just wondering if character sizes could be something else that we could experiment with.
kupo15
Smash Hero
no clue but funny thing is I was thinking that also lol xD
Revven
FrankerZ
Actually, couldn't you just use the Size Modifiers for that?
MBlaze
Smash Champion
Thanks.
Anyway it seems that we got almost everything we wanted so should we have an official code set soon? All we really need to do is edit anything if anything comes up.
kupo15
Smash Hero
im not sure about the shield stun values so please let me know if its too much or little or whatever. Remember, all multi hit moves should finish before the shield can drop down so keep an eye out for that.
We have a couple more codes left
We have a couple more codes left
Yes but all recoveries and jumps and such do not scale. The best thing would be for a level size mod if we do something like this.
wazgood
Smash Ace
dash canceled grab is too good
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
I don't think it's necessary to shrink the characters. It would just make it harder to combo since their hit boxes would be smaller. If knockback/power isn't affected then that means that in effect the knockback would appear to be higher cause of the size difference, and too much knockback is a problem.
zxeon
Smash Lord
Is there anything that can be done about the length of the CC and no ASL codes?
kupo15
Smash Hero
yea I agree. Level size would be the solution if we chose to go down this path.
Also, **** my sister for not letting me hack her wii until mine comes back. Srsly, she never uses it and is being very unreasonable......-_-
mookie, how was the 4/2 combination?
Zxeon, most likely not
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Deleted member
Guest
seriously, changing character sizes improves nothing and will make people not try this since it changes too much of the playstyle.
XxGUNZxX
Smash Apprentice
You might be right but both Melee and SB64 worked fine with smaller sized character models. If not, then Kupo's idea of modifying the size of the levels might work.
MBlaze
Smash Champion
I'm up for that job as long as she's good lookin.
kupo15
Smash Hero
Shes taken. When has d a m n been censored? lol
Jiangjunizzy
Smash Lord
in changing stage sizes, you're also extending KO boundary..
K1T3
Smash Lord
Pretty much any good peach player tries to do it now. After Smiles(peach) actually traveled out of state right before brawl came out everyone realized that powershielding was actually doable and applicable in game. At least anyone that played him or saw him play. After that the rest of top peaches started trying to do it. Though it is quite applicable with almost any character simply peach had it the easiest as should could powershield downsmash.
Simply most people like yourself diddn't know that powershielding in melee was applicable. Those that live where I do by Smiles all know that it is and that's why there are so many people in this city that have incorperated it in our games. Of course being able to shield during a dash or PS during one became quite useful. Not just here though but if you watch japanese matches many of their top players like CJ will PS to not have shield lag and instantly aerial.
I was saying that you can't shield during your initial dash in vanilla brawl, but I guess you missed that. The point I was making is that the initial dash animation in vanilla brawl is shorter and that's why you don't notice too much that you can't shield, and it doesn't matter too much as almost anytime you are dashing you are not in the inital dash animation and thus can shield. Now with the dash dancing code on the initial dash animation is greatly lengthened leading to a much larger portion of the time you are dashing being taken by time that you are unable to shield. This is very different than vanilla brawl and makes dashing very unsafe.
For instance if someone with a slow dash (not to sure who has one) but lets say I'm fox and they do a typical mindgame to bait a dodge ie. dash at me dash away and dash back grab (this is all dash dancing). The instant I see the dash I will always just dash attack them as I know they are completely exposed and can be punished easily as they cannot shield.
Or say for instance someone simply dashes at me regularly I can simply tilt them away or even forward smash my opponent as I know that will still be in their initial dash animation and that it is this specific distance that it is impossible for them to shield.
Alright those might be a bit harder lets go with something safer lets say I'm toon link anytime I see anyone dash at all I will throw a projectile as I know there is no way they can block it.
I'm trying to point out that the dash dance code is nice and does add plenty of options but at the same time turns dashing in itself into something very dangerous that puts you in a bad position and I can easily see peoople shy away from even doing a dash as it will leave them open and good players don't like to leave themselves open at all.
This can be likened to tripping. Due to the chance of tripping from dashing many people in vanilla brawl opt to simply walk in many situations as they don't want to leave themselves open for an attack. Of course they will still dash when they want to follow up something or to do other things but it's not something they can just do as it has a risk to it. As I recall we took out tripping as we didn't want to be limited.
So again why do you want to limit players in their options to something that even vailla brawl didn't really limit you in doing when allowing shielding during the dash only increases options and adds even more depth and approach opportunity which we want as vanilla brawl was too campy. Isn't the whole purpose of a shield stun code to make shielding less broken so what is wrong with it? There is nothing stopping people from grabbing either. This is in no way broken.
So did 1 buffer have any bugs?
Edit: Alopex, sorry about that, nice post, thanks a lot for the info. I'll be trying out 1 buffer =)
Looks like you missed my post on the 1 buffer results, K1.
Here you go: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6321815&postcount=2091
EDIT: As for bug bugs, like, glitches or issues, NOPE! ^.^
At least not for me. Everything is working fine.
But, like I said in my previous post, I recommend everyone give 1 buffer a try and report how things go for them.
Here you go: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6321815&postcount=2091
EDIT: As for bug bugs, like, glitches or issues, NOPE! ^.^
At least not for me. Everything is working fine.
But, like I said in my previous post, I recommend everyone give 1 buffer a try and report how things go for them.