Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010

[Timotee]

For the AZonetwostep results, I'm the Timotee that got 7th. Your results list doesn't have a character by my name, so if you needed the info, I played Wario/Ness. Dabbled in other characters, but those two were in every set, since I know you only want 1 or 2 chars per person.

 

[RT]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177609

Full results for a tournament that took place on June 21 in Houston, Tx.

 

[Ilex]

In Pokemon, Ubers are banned...and you placed Snake as an Uber here. Are you implying something?

 

[Xiivi]

I like the mini up-to-date rankings you've added. Good idea and saves you the trouble of multiple big changes in numbers through the week.

 

[foxsmasher]

Hopefully ness and claus mainers can actually move up the list. They are downplayed as one of the worst characters to use in a tourney because of the CG'S.

 

[Blue sHell]

Tourny thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170909

Tourny results thread: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=4757011#post4757011

Entry fee: $15

Location: New Jersey

Number of entrants: 50

1: Inui (Marth/Pit/Dedede) (he didn't win any matches with his Pit and used him like twice)
2: dmbrandon (Meta Knight)
3: Blue Shell (Wario)
4: BlackWaltz (Olimar)
5: Atomsk (Dedede)
5: Bajisci (ROB)
7: Ether (Snake)
7: Lord Knight (Dedede)

 

[ozg82889]

I wonder if for the PAL version of SSBB (if it comes out) they will nerf Snake and MK.

i doubt they will make any changes to characters due to the fact that it will cause online issues. so if they were to buff TL for example and increased his uair dmg by lets say 6% a fresh hit at the right time will display an increase of 20% on the pal version and an increase of 14% on the other versions. that would cause problems as the next hit would cause differences in knockback. that would lead to errors and disconnections and what not.

 

[fkacyan]

Tourny thread: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=170909

Tourny results thread: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=4757011#post4757011

Entry fee: $15

Location: New Jersey

Number of entrants: 50

1: Inui (Marth/Pit/Dedede) (he didn't win any matches with his Pit and used him like twice)
2: dmbrandon (Meta Knight)
3: Blue Shell (Wario)
4: BlackWaltz (Olimar)
5: Atomsk (Dedede)
5: Bajisci (ROB)
7: Ether (Snake)
7: Lord Knight (Dedede)

Haha, only one Snake and one Metaknight in dis top 8. What is wrong with NJ?!

ETA: Also, the venue took 35% of the initial pot.

 

[Clevr]

Anyone have any explanations for why Toon Link isn't doing well other than people aren't playing as him? He seems to have pretty good match-ups across the board.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Have you been using any tournaments I've been going to? I've gotten Peach a couple of good placings recently, and I don't think its reflected

Ok here I'll provide it, maybe you used it maybe not but here :

Ownapalooza: Antioch, CA June 8 2008

58 entrants

1- Snake
2 - Metaknight
3- Snake
4- Zelda/ ZSS
5 - Snake
5 - Diddy
7 - Wolf
7 - Peach

Oscular's 562 tounrey : May 31 2008

23 entrants

1- Snake
2- Peach
3 - Pit
4 - DK
5- Wario

Not sure about the rest ^_^

 

[Zankoku]

Yeah, I've been thinking that as well, so I made a thread in your regional zone. Hopefully it'll get me some more Cali results than I find in the Tourney Results area.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177742

 

[Ruuku]

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164442

 

[Yonder]

Wow, this is just great, Luigi is in the neverused category. Let's all call this great character TRASH now! And once again, Mario is over Luigi, it's like this every Smash game. I can understand the first two games, but NOT this one, Luigi has better match ups, and is superior to Mario.

Same with Toon Link and Zelda, since they are underused, we must procceed to call them garbage now.

 

[Zankoku]

Stop being a moron. Don't complain about a character's placement just because you're not good enough to win some big tournaments with that character and bring him/her/it up in rank yourself.

 

[Dark.Pch]

Anyone have any explanations for why Toon Link isn't doing well other than people aren't playing as him? He seems to have pretty good match-ups across the board.

Its because People can't use him to his full power. Thats how I see it atleast. Some people dont put in enough time or hard work with these characters and thus they come off as low tiers or w/e. Until one day one Person or People use these characters to thier full extend and know what the heck they are doing with them, and know all thier match ups. thats why I dont bother with thier opinions. Cause people dont even know it all with thier character or matchs ups. all of them to give a full tier placeing.

This is just me though. My opinion and how I always felt ever since the tier talk came about. The same way you feel with TL is how I feel with Peach.

 

[fkacyan]

Wow, this is just great, Luigi is in the neverused category. Let's all call this great character TRASH now! And once again, Mario is over Luigi, it's like this every Smash game. I can understand the first two games, but NOT this one, Luigi has better match ups, and is superior to Mario.

Same with Toon Link and Zelda, since they are underused, we must procceed to call them garbage now.

Please shut up. There are plenty of characters that are underused. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that you win with your character.

If you're the only Luigi main in your area, win and up his ranking. This is raw data, based on facts, not opinionated, so your opinions on his matchups don't matter.

 

[Zankoku]

This is just me though. My opinion and how I always felt ever since the tier talk came about. The same way you feel with TL is how I feel with Peach.

Peach will go up; she gained a decent number of points before my reset thanks to NikoK and Edreese, among others, and I'm sure they haven't abandoned Peach, so she'll probably still be gaining points.

 

[Dark Hart]

MELEE-FC: Quest Results! 6/21/08
1. Overswarm (R.O.B.)
2. KishSquared (Bowser)
3. Joshu (King Dedede)
4. Tink (Wario)
5. Kel (MetaKnight)
5. Iggy (MetaKnight)
7. Blood Hawk (Lucario)
7. KirkQ (R.O.B.)

 

[Blue sHell]

I love how no one reads the original post

 

[Dragmire]

it's just so strange I mean it's easier to click on the first page of this topic "character rankings list" than the smaller icon "last page"

 

[fkacyan]

I love how no one reads the original post

What fun would it be if you couldn't mindlessly complain?

 

[choknater]

WOW bowser! good sh*t kishsquared!

 

[Inui]

That archive linked on the first page seems to be missing a loooot of big stuff, like Montage's two events, SWR III, and Terrabite. You probably just didnt get to it yet.

TOURNAMENT: Clash of the Titans III
LINK: http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=173620
DATE: June 1, 2008
LOCALE: Atlantic North
ENTRANTS: 30
ENTRY: $10.00
RESULTS:
1 Mew2King (King Dedede/Meta Knight)
2 Velocity (Mr. Game & Watch)
3 Jman (Snake)
4 Inui (Marth)
5 Emblem Lord (Marth)
5 Keitaro (Falco)
7 RyokoYaksa (Zelda/Sheik)
7 NinjaLink (Diddy Kong)

And that fix might help Diddy Kong a bit.

I see a flaw in your math system since it doesn't take the size of tournaments into account nearly as well as it should(at least it looks that way) or who's using the characters(sadly that would be nearly impossible).

Blue Shell, I 2-0'd Bajisci with Pit right before I played you. I used Pit and won against another top placer.

 

[SlyNinja]

The game hasn't been out long enough for an in depth tier list to be done, I'd expect the mid and lower ranks to shift like crazy until more techniques are discovered with different characters.

 

[Morrigan]

So the current list is the "Most up-to-date rankings, no details", while the long one awaits to be updated with the stuff below+points?

 

[Zankoku]

Pretty much, yeah.

 

[Demon Kirby]

The game hasn't been out long enough for an in depth tier list to be done, I'd expect the mid and lower ranks to shift like crazy until more techniques are discovered with different characters.

Read third tag please. Thanks.

 

[Morrigan]

kevinm was here?

 

[Demon Kirby]

kevinm was here?

You added that tag, didn't you...

 

[Deleted member]

Wow, I sure am sick of losing to Snake over and over again I find it almost impossible to beat a snake player with G&W. I have beaten Snake in an online tourney twice with DK though

 

[Timmyftw]

Wow I'm suprised Ike is so low on the list. He feels godly with me and my friends.

 

[Nigerian Star Storm]

Wow I'm suprised Ike is so low on the list. He feels godly with me and my friends.

People actually know how to dodge in the tournament scene ^_^

 

[Steck]

It's a shame that nobody uses Yoshi. As a fighter he is not exactly garbage material. I guess few people actually want to play as him. Or he can't stand up against Snake.

 

[Inui]

It's a shame that nobody uses Yoshi. As a fighter he is not exactly garbage material. I guess few people actually want to play as him. Or he can't stand up against Snake.

Snake isn't the problem at all.

Yoshi can't jump out of shield. This is why I and many others refuse to use him.

 

[Kiwikomix]

Yoshi can't jump out of shield. This is why I and many others refuse to use him.

I swear to god that if anyone else says this I'm gonna slap a ho.
NOT JUMPING OUT OF SHIELD IS NOT A PROBLEM. It's Yoshi's shield game in GENERAL that makes his defense so awful. Have you ever considered that Yoshi's shield has some benefits? Like, for example, he can't get shield stabbed. Therefore the effects of some moves like G-Dub's bair are greatly reduced (not that he wins that matchup). Come on people... stop saying something that isn't that important in Brawl. Good Yoshis can rarely be put on the defensive by most characters anyway, so stop whining.
/rant

I'm actually far more surprised about Link. I mean, sure his recovery is sub-awful, but it does seem like he should have some good things going for him...
*goes to research Link*

 

[Inui]

Not being able to jump out of shield sucks massively. I said it's why I don't use him. It's also why most of the people I know don't use him. I'd much rather have the negative effects of shield stabbing than not be able to jump out of shield. Also, it would appear that Yoshi's animation when he drops his shield is longer.

 

[Zankoku]

Not jumping out of shield sucks, and Yoshi's unshield animation is indeed longer, unless you unshield from a roll or spotdodge.

 

[fkacyan]

Jumping out of shields requires tap jump on, correct? Or am I thinking of upsmashing out of shields?

/random

 

[KishSquared]

Repping the Bowser!

MELEE-FC Quest
22 entrants
$15 entry fee
Held in Mishawaka, IN

1. Overswarm (R.O.B.)
2. KishSquared (Bowser)
3. Joshu (King Dedede)
4. Tink (Wario)
5. Kel (MetaKnight)
5. Iggy (MetaKnight)
7. Blood Hawk (Lucario)
7. KirkQ (R.O.B.)

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=177729

 

[choknater]

Those complaining about no shield jump: have any of you actually given Yoshi a chance for an extended amount of time?

If you use his horizontal air speed correctly (which is quicker than wario/jigglypuff) to space, you'll find that you won't really need the shield jump very much. All Yoshi really needs to do from his shield is roll, which isn't bad for him. Yes, it'd be nice to have more options, but just rolling away and using aerial spacing is completely fine. Yoshi's pivot eggs are great enough for spacing too.

If only his powershield was better haha.

So yeah, his shield is poor. But does that really hurt him SO MUCH that he is unplayable? Not in the least.