This aren't tiers. They're ranks. This is based on tourney results alone, and doesn't necessarily represent potential. If you want Lucas to go up, take yours to some tournaments and place well.
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Character Rankings List - Post-March 2010
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DSF used Diddy to win play n trade...and he beat a Snake player with Diddy in the finals ftw.
http://www.getyourtournament.com/2008/06/fuentes-is-third-different-play-n-trade.html
I'll try and track down all the results for it.
http://www.getyourtournament.com/2008/06/fuentes-is-third-different-play-n-trade.html
I'll try and track down all the results for it.
Dragmire
Smash Lord
he is DSF but who was snake? and did you rank in this tourney
Neb
Smash Lord
G&W 10th?
...Well that womps.
...Well that womps.
cheetacuz007
Smash Apprentice
snake is first by far because of his massive range
but i do think falcon should be a couple of places higher
but i do think falcon should be a couple of places higher
Dragmire
Smash Lord
This is sparta lol
seriously though just read the OP in full it's clearly stated as not a tier list
seriously though just read the OP in full it's clearly stated as not a tier list
Patsie
Smash Journeyman
Maybe he thinks that, in future lists, Falcon will be higher? Maybe he thinks that Falcon has more potential than people are currently utilizing in today's tournaments?
I don't see why you have to jump on people for inconsequential statements like that. I've said before in this thread that other characters deserved to be higher, and that's still a very legitimate statement. If you think that a character can do better, saying it doesn't mean that you think this is a tier list.
clowsui
Smash Legend
We jump on people because statements like that suggest that this is a tier list.
"Other characters deserve to be higher."
It doesn't matter whether they DESERVE to be or not, they have to place and SHOW that they DESERVE their spot. Get it?
Potential is factored in when you make tiers (but it's not that great of an influence for Smash). Is this a tier list? NO. This is just a compilation of results putin a points system. Saying that a character can do better is absolutely worthless towards this thread because until they ACTUALLY do better it's not going to show up; why debate things that are not going to appear until they manifest themselves?
"Other characters deserve to be higher."
It doesn't matter whether they DESERVE to be or not, they have to place and SHOW that they DESERVE their spot. Get it?
Potential is factored in when you make tiers (but it's not that great of an influence for Smash). Is this a tier list? NO. This is just a compilation of results putin a points system. Saying that a character can do better is absolutely worthless towards this thread because until they ACTUALLY do better it's not going to show up; why debate things that are not going to appear until they manifest themselves?
We've already determined that your particular thoughts are pretty dumb, and in this vein, stating that characters should be higher is useless, redundant, and adds nothing to the discussion. /ignore
lol Im so tired of hearing how captain falcon will sit proudly on top of tier lists everywhere one day, he is not good. He does not place in tournaments, he has no good matchups, he has nothing. Unlike other lower tier characters he even has a following of people who play him(many with alot of skill) just to prove that he is not the worst character in the game.
Except Pooky beat M2K's D3 with his Falcon in a $1 MM. xD
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
I guarentee you he probably would not have won in a complete tournament set. >_>. Not to mention, just because Falcon beat someone doesn't change his inherant disadvantages.
And DDD is known to have trouble against bigger characters, big deal. Show me when a guy like Forte using MK is beaten by a CF. Then I'll be surprised.
lol pooky's cf is too good though, but wait he beat m2k LyK zomg Captain Falcon for top tier!
It's called a joke? Calm down, buddy. Everybody could tell M2k was sandbagging, he went for the same KO every time: CG to stagespike.
hungrybox
Smash Legend
well a diddy player nearly beat fl's top snake last saturday
who is Fl's best player
who is Fl's best player
Patsie
Smash Journeyman
Uh, I guess your hostility is warranted...
Also, thanks for your blanket statement that you decided not to justify whatsoever.
I guess saying:
adds a lot more to the discussion than those opinions.
Basically, your original response was wrong, so you decided to a) throw ad homs at me and b) say that the post you responded to was stupid anyway. Last time I checked, those were what logicians (and debaters, might I add) call 'smokescreens.'
Edit: And before you give me your response, remember that my original post wasn't attacking you in the slightest. I was just telling you to lay off the guy; you obviously have a big problem with people challenging you.
LOL play the superiority card in order to hide your lack of knowledge of brawl. 12 internetz for you good sir
I'm going to assume that Patsie's post was directed at me, and say this in response:
No.
EDIT: Aw, Chckn, now I can see it!
Patsie, I'm sorry, but please don't try to throw the language to debate in my face. You look dumb doing it. Why? Because what I said holds weight in an actual debate.
1) You've made terrible uninformed posts before, thus injuring your credibility.
2) The post I replied to was stupid, which I explained.
3) I have problems with people who don't know what they're talking about challenging me, because it's a waste of time.
This is what is called an ad hominem attack, because it's referring to my method of argument and not the argument itself. Also known as a smokescreen.
Go be a smartass somewhere else, preferably somewhere I'm not.
No.
EDIT: Aw, Chckn, now I can see it!
Patsie, I'm sorry, but please don't try to throw the language to debate in my face. You look dumb doing it. Why? Because what I said holds weight in an actual debate.
1) You've made terrible uninformed posts before, thus injuring your credibility.
2) The post I replied to was stupid, which I explained.
3) I have problems with people who don't know what they're talking about challenging me, because it's a waste of time.
This is what is called an ad hominem attack, because it's referring to my method of argument and not the argument itself. Also known as a smokescreen.
Go be a smartass somewhere else, preferably somewhere I'm not.
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
>_> I know.
I'm just tired of Pro Falcon people I've met on Gamefaqs using that one match example to prove Falcon isn't bad when he is.
Haha, but Orion doesn't play Falcon as a main, he plays him as a joke xD
Patsie
Smash Journeyman
Take it to PMs, this is a good thread and I'm not going to sully it anymore, as much as I want to quote dictionaries to prove you wrong. 
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But seriously, good thread Ankoku, if you carry on with doing this it will be a big help to the community, but it's a tough commitment.
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But seriously, good thread Ankoku, if you carry on with doing this it will be a big help to the community, but it's a tough commitment.
iMeeHow
Smash Journeyman
Just lookin at this is the reason i quit link 
axiomnightmare
Smash Rookie
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I don't think this current method takes into account siding out. Let's say that a person wins a tournament using DDD and Metaknight. This person uses DDD for most of the time, but switches to Metaknight for DDD's bad matchups. Your system would give full points to both DDD and Metaknight. However, it is unlikely that the person could have won the tournament using just one of those characters by themselves. This system would therefore unfairly inflate the results of a character like DDD who is solid overall, but has several bad matchups. I suggest that when multiple characters are listed, you split the points evenly among all the characters that person used. This way, a character like DDD would have less inflated results, and his several bad matchups would be accounted for.
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
IF this was the case, then wouldn't several other characters who have teriible matchups spike downwards?
Maybe.....just maybe the DDD players overcame the bad matchups?
axiomnightmare
Smash Rookie
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I have no idea how the rankings will change, but I'm predicting that characters with bad matchups may move down. Nonetheless, it still seems unfair to me that whether a person uses 3 characters, or one character, each character gets the same amount of points.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
axiom brings up an interesting point
Nigerian Star Storm
Smash Ace
While I can understand where your coming from, and if Ankoku is willing to make his workload even larger than what it is, then I'd be fine with it, I'm not sure if it worth another restructuring.
It is an interesting point, but meh. There will be inaccuracies in the way I interpret my data, but at this point I really don't want to start over again.
TKD+ITA+Mar=
Smash Ace
Yeah I don't blame you. However, you could start doing it now and the rest will phase out because you only include the tournaments including the last two months. Well it's your decision I guess; whatever you decide I am happy with.
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I'd like to propose Zelda/Sheik(S&Z) being one character, whether you use one or both, it doesn't and shouldn't matter. I see that you main Sheik and have contributed to the thread that's linked. All you, Ankoku, would have to do is add their points together to combine them into one character. Easy enough?
OT-http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=178423yet another Zelda/Sheik main that agrees with what I'm proposing and he/she will stay unnamed said:
At this point the only person recorded in my tournament results as using both Sheik and Zelda was RyokoYaksa, in one tournament. I'll add in the Sheik/Zelda entry if more people show up using the team.
But that would be a completely inaccurate representation, not to mention an offense to actual dedicated mains of either character, like Justn's (I don't think he's on Smashboards) Sheik and darkmusician's Zelda. Trust me, if the Sheik/Zelda team is as great as we all think it is, it'll rise on its own in time.
ftl
Smash Journeyman
It's inaccurate because most people do not switch between the two, and tend to play as either one or the other, and hence why it makes sense to keep them separate. Perhaps that is a bad habit from Melee, and the true masters of the character will reach their peak by learning both and switching around between them depending on the situation; if that happens, it will make sense to combine them into one character when talking about tournament results. However, based on the reported results so far, that has not happened yet; there are many players who indeed pick only one to play at any time. According to Ankoku, who's compiling this list, only one person has ever been reported to him as using both (of the people who have placed high in the tournament results he has seen); the rest who make their way onto this list use one or the other. Until this changes, it does not make sense to combine them, ESPECIALLY not for this list. Maybe it makes sense for a tier list, maybe, but this is not a tier list anyway.
metalmonstar
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Are you sure about Ness? When I looked through the document timotee had a first place with ness adn a 7th place. That would be 34.875 points.
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