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She can confirm into charge shot. Samus has some good combos and a pretty good back air. I'd say she's a mid range combo character.cough coughcough cough
question? What is samus's desing in this game? If its defensive turteling until she can get herself a charge shot then why is that her keep away tools aren't that good or her rolls are really poor or she can't confirm into a chargeshot?
I wish. Arcfire still lags, durability exists, and grab is useless.
I was going to say the awesomeness that is her D-tilt a nice lingering hitbox that sets up for Aerial Kills and can even edgeguard!
(I finally get an excuse to quote this post in this thread)
yeah um BAN•ZELDA
Uhuh, against sword fighter's quicker attacks you have to be on point to punish, this is sweet. If I feel like my opponent is probably slightly flustered and might react a few frames slower than he or she could, or simply doesn't know how fast swordfighter can be I'll just throw out another attack, usually that works. People tend to not get that they really have to be quick with their inputs against swordfighters faster attacks, and that they can't punish with attacks that have startup :O So long as swordfighter is at or below 25% H/W SF is high tier : - ))
Not to cherrypick, but Falcon's recovery is not exactly difficult to abuse
just to be clear Swordfighter's attacks are fast on endlag not on start up though they are pretty fast for the disjointed range they cover honestly when i play Swordfighter in tend to milk my advantage as much as i can maybe i should have a limit and put up a wall of jabs/d-tilts
Startup isn't nearly as big a deal as endlag, you can compensate for startup by simply throwing attacks out a few frames earlier in many situations, sucks to have startup make something not a viable punish option of course.
Smooth Criminal
If they buffed DeDeDe then doubles would be a nightmare in dreamland when he's present.
Would Dins Fire really not help her recovery if she didn't get into freefall? While charging she kinda slows down her vertical speed while still being able to move forward. She could probably glide back when hit at higher %s since she'll come from about a upper corner. And now you're also putting out a hitbox to cover your recovery (not that she'd need that).
Whaat. Do you know the grabrange? A decent to good grabrange in this game always seems a little broken to me. You can shieldgrab landings/landing aerials more easily, you can punish any close range grounded hit more easily... you can walk up and grab. And having a fast dash/run speed or "boost grab" is a little broken as we all should know. You can't stand still against Falcon if he's in zoning range or just out of it. He also slides so far to put you into a worse position once he get's a dash grab. Or he goes so far that you might not even be able to punish him. Play as Sonic for a little bit and see how it feels against characters like Mario and slower. You can move around in zoning range and don't have to be afraid or anything unless maybe you're at the edge of a stage, since you can move in and (especially) out so fast and without fear.
A pain, but not horrible.Isn't B-throw a kill throw tho?
BTW, how are
: the worst, maybe 65-45. But his trouble killing and his predictible recovery make that the match can flip really fast. : not really hard in comparison. His usmash is less dangerous, and he can't juggle zelda easily. Even MU.:racks ton of damage and kill with ease. But his low traction make most of Zelda move safe. Again, Zelda edgeguard and raw kill power can make the MU hard to define. If Zelda get the first stock she wins. In luigi favor though, but only because i like luigi. (maybe not after the nerf), loses to and could lose to , as i think it's even at best.Pretty sure Zelda loses all of those matches with the exception of Luigi. I'm almost positive Zelda's the worst character in the game.A pain, but not horrible.
Basically Zelda sucks because she's hard counter by
Hey, but most of them are high tier.
Sad...
Pretty sure Dr Mario is easier than Luigi, mostly because he has no recovery.
This got me thinking about new (?) ways to define tiers beyond a simple "goodness" ranking.
Din's Fire/Flare/Blaze
sweetspot hitbox
size 2.7 -> 2.1
Destroyed Phantom regeneration time
6 seconds → 9 seconds
Elaboration required.So Ness has a massive slew of even-ish MUs. We've been really indecisive about our worst MU, but it's looking like it's Rosa atm, who is probably our worst -1. With that in mind, this is how it would roughly look in a customs off meta (as much as I enjoy customs on, this probably looks a bit cleaner):
+2:
Afro Smash
nor myself have ever lost to a ness in tournament.
Agreed. You still have
who have major weaknesses and who could arguably become viable or at least on a good path to become that overtime (like with the last major update) with a few tweaks. The first seven have issues with their basic design while the next nine it's just a matter of changing attack properties. For example, I think would be much more of a threat if his attacks were given more pressure on shields and should have more range.
... Seriously?
who could arguably become viable .
I didn't say he was bad. I just think he needs a little bit more of a push to remove most people's doubts about his viability. I'm well aware that he's a character that's come a long way but, unlike Kirby, he's someone that people still largely doubt despite the improvements.
People's doubts shouldn't have anything to do with whether a character is good or bad. If some people appeared saying that they have doubts Luigi is a viable character in spite of everything, that doesn't mean the character needs buffs just to dispel those doubts.
The issue with Meta Knight is that there is only one really good player, Ito, and some other good players like Katakiri. So, Ito, Katakiri, Tyrant, and Unknown are the players I know and no, they're not big names like Mew2King, Larry Lurr, Trela, or ZeRo. Now, if say, Dabuz had Meta Knight as a secondary and used him at a level slightly below Ito which would be insane as his Rosalina is already at a level above good Rosalina players, then Meta Knight might have some believers from the public.
I'm theorycrafting here, but has it ever been verified that the durability mechanic exists to balance Robin's tools for being "too strong (to Sakurai's mind)"?
Except it does matter because if a character is perceived as good, more people are likely to pick them up and more likely to help develop their meta game. I don't think Metaknight is over that hump yet. Hell, it took people nearly two years to figure out
were really good in Brawl and this situation is more or less the same. might have the tools now but it's definitely a hard sell. He very well could be viable but, like the three I mentioned before, he strikes me as someone who won't be able to widely prove this unless 1. a long period of time passes or 2. minor changes are made that make it more apparent.