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I've noticed that sort of thing a lot with the newcomers, actually. In the previous round in that video, the commentators didn't seem to understand why Rosalina couldn't recall Luma (it goes into a helpless tumble when hit until it touches ground).
Rock's Shoryuken kills at 77%?! Neat. Iggy plays Rock really well. I take back every negative comment I made about Megaman.
You might want to edit that part I underlined haha. Well, Ike isn't looking too hot but Falco will be just fine I believe. They didn't take away his amazing jab or tilts or reflector or fsmash, and he now has a much better recovery. Probably mid-tier. Ganon and DK might require custom moves to not get put in Ike tier though...
OK, I'll edit it.
It's not just the newcomers, its changes in general. I've honestly been a little annoyed watching commentated sets so far because it feels like I know more about the game than the commentators do, which is never a good feeling. Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the world for commentators, but watching Clash tournaments and Tourney Locator sets made me cringe a little at times, like during Clash's invitational when the commentator didn't realize that Sheik's side B had been changed... a fact we've known for five months now.
Especially since a lot of them have been featured in the POTD, Directs, etc.
Eh I don't know. Guys like Bowser, Ness, and Lucario are better I think than a few of the newcomers. They all are better than what they were in Brawl.
Have to agree a bit here. The commentators streaming now are very busy due to trying to get content out asap due to the very small amount of people putting out content - a lot of growth going on for streamers. Some out-of-nowhere streamers are getting huge now just because they have the japanese release of the game.
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Cool find. Definitely the best Mega Man video I've seen thus far. That Sheik trying to outcamp Mega Man early on with his needles was painful to watch.
Oh I totally agree, ZeRo's stream is quality. Honestly, I think that ZeRo is currently the best Smash 4 player right now.Have to agree a bit here. The commentators streaming now are very busy due to trying to get content out asap due to the very small amount of people putting out content - a lot of growth going on for streamers. Some out-of-nowhere streamers are getting huge now just because they have the japanese release of the game.
That doesn't, however, mean that their quality of commentary or streaming is up to par (imo ZeRo is the best one currently regularly streaming, due to game knowledge and his commentary style. But that's just my personal favourite so far - there are other good streamers too!
Yep, I'd love to work with the guy in the future. Can't wait to commentate his matches.
This is so ignorant it kills me.
), and if your opponent approaches, CHOP CHOP. I also like how Villager doesn't have to commit to his sprout. You can use the watering can to push opponents slightly, or the Ax, though I haven't tested the Ax as a fighting move as of yet. But yeah. I hate Villager's Smashes. Side Smash is good, but it has no reach at all. Up Smash is good for racking up damage, but doesn't seem to launch well. Down Smash is nice, except any old decent player can escape from a dirt pile quickly. Overall, it might be harder to kill with Villager. I also hate his Up B Revovery, but love his Side B attack, though the delay in that attack is more than enough to counter with a Mario Cape or something. Usually, I'll charge right behind the Lloyd Rocket and attack that way. Also, Radishes. And Slingshots. His Air Game is niceish.
I notice you listed Lucina but not Marth, is there any reason behind that decision? Also while I don't know enough about each of those characters to have a real opinion on them yet I think your list could be right as I can't seem them being top/high tier either.My first vague impression of the roster is that Dark Pit, Doctor Mario, Ike, Link, Lucina, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Peach, Pit, ROB, Samus, Toon Link and WFT all lack the outstanding traits that I believe to be necessary in order to be viable in a competitive setting. This neither necessarily means that they are "bad" characters, nor does it mean that all the other characters are better than them. Moreoever, I simply can't imagine them playing a major role in competitive smash 4 and doubt that we will see any of them anywhere near the top of the tier list.
I would think that Dunk Hunt is also top/high tier. He's pretty formidable.
Pac-Man is redonk. His zoning tools are soooooooooooooooooo goooooooooooood, and he has excellent normals and specials.
Did anyone expect Mario or any form of him to be top though? At the very least, he looks like a solid mid/borderline high character, THANK GOD for the buffs.My first vague impression of the roster is that Dark Pit, Doctor Mario, Ike, Link, Lucina, Luigi, Mario, Mega Man, Peach, Pit, ROB, Samus, Toon Link and WFT all lack the outstanding traits that I believe to be necessary in order to be viable in a competitive setting. This neither necessarily means that they are "bad" characters, nor does it mean that all the other characters are better than them. Moreoever, I simply can't imagine them playing a major role in competitive smash 4 and doubt that we will see any of them anywhere near the top of the tier list.
Well, that's supposedly easy to factor against; see, Link, against an opponent who shields, does have options, such as shield pressure with his F-Smash or even a grab. If an opponent shields while Link is throwing a bomb close range, at just enough space can Link use any combination of attacks, shield and OoS options available to him.
Honestly, I'll have to find out about Pac-Man. I'm not good when it comes to adjusting to newcomer attacks (Villager having the worst time).
Hope this helps. Footage from a recent Japanese tourney.
Does anyone have any more information on this? The way it sounds is that mario will be incredible hard to knock off stage let alone KO. Or did I understand this wrong?
Well, I think Cape Gliding is still possible, just higher traction now. Mario is still, however, incredibly easy to KO off stage if you're knowing what you're doing.
Too early to tell but she's definitely an early stand-out character along with DHD, Greninja, Bowser, and ZSS. I have a hard time seeing these 5 any lower than top 15 at the worst, but we'll see...
