Character Competitive Impressions

[ChronoPenguin]

I dont trust jack **** unless its supported by multiple people.

 

[Nabbitnator]

Should I make a thread for changes or something? That way we aren't confused?

 

[Yonder]

Sorry if I'm causing any mass pandamonium or anything I'm just stating what I think may be different or what feels off.

Any requests? If you give me original data I can test it. I know for a fact D throw to U air doesn't work anymore for Diddy, that much I'm certain.

 

[Yokoblue]

Guy stop kidding seriously...
We need at least 2 people confirming big things or we will all go crazy
A thread would be nice yes.

 

[NachoOfCheese]

Hoo haa is still a thing from what I've tried.
Besides, why would they balance patch 3DS and not Wii U?

 

[TTTTTsd]

Hoo haa is still a thing from what I've tried.
Besides, why would they balance patch 3DS and not Wii U?

Bingo

 

[Xuan Wu]

User Macchiato has a thread started for this. It'll be best for everyone to compile their findings there. ^-^

 

[Nabbitnator]

Is it possible that a wii u patch could be coming soon? Other wise something isn't right.

 

[deepseadiva]

Just tested it.

Hoo Haa is out. RIP Diddy

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Just tested it.

Hoo Haa is out. RIP Diddy

NANI!?

Smooth Criminal

 

[Antonykun]

Sorry if I'm causing any mass pandamonium or anything I'm just stating what I think may be different or what feels off.

Any requests? If you give me original data I can test it. I know for a fact D throw to U air doesn't work anymore for Diddy, that much I'm certain.

Explain, I have been doing Hoo has left and right (god I called it a hoo hah)

 

[TTTTTsd]

No. No it is not. I literally just did it ROFL. Y'all need better fingers 3DS is awful for this but IT WORKS

D-Throw Uair -> Uair still works with Diddy. THIS IS WHY WE USE GC CONTROLLERS BTW

 

[ChronoPenguin]

I just tested it. You can absolutely still perform it.
Make sure to D-throw, then slide your thumb back to Turn back as you jump and U-air.

 

[Nabbitnator]

I'm pretty sure nothing has changed. We probably wont get an actual patch until mewtwo and for now its just minor bugs.

 

[TTTTTsd]

Literally like nothing is different about Dr. Mario so....yeah, this didn't change anything LOL

 

[Antonykun]

Can a mod threaten with infractions on this patch until we get something concrete? I don't need people getting hype for non existent nerfs

 

[NairWizard]

Yeah, guys, I hate to say it, but, for those of you who think that Diddy has changed, you just don't know how to hoo ha.

 

[Yonder]

Huh. My bad then. I think I'll quit testing now and leave it to everyone else, too much placebo.

 

[The Light Music Club]

I really want to play a good Diddy, no one online uses him. I need to start going to tournaments soon.

 

[Yokoblue]

I really want to play a good Diddy, no one online uses him. I need to start going to tournaments soon.

Play ladders online a lot of people play him...

 

[Road Death Wheel]

past 2 pages

Me: Hype levels rising
*half way through the 1st page* Exploding hype
*2nd page* frowny face. :<

 

[Sinister Slush]

Like more than 80% of the cast so far is unchanged, just bug fixes so far. No need to be saying stuff like % changes or KB on moves/throws different.

 

[FullMoon]

Running Shadow Sneak is gone. The frog just can't catch a break.

 

[Ffamran]

Wait, I thought running Shadow Sneak was gone since 1.04.

 

[Spirst]

Wait, I thought running Shadow Sneak was gone since 1.04.

No, it was very much still a thing in 1.0.4. It was rather difficult to execute (though made easier through the usage of foxtrots) but had good mixup potential and could be used to follow a fully charged water shuriken that drags the other player. It will be missed.

 

[hey_there]

Bowser Jr. Clown Car glitch is gone. So ... that's good I guess?

 

[Emblem Lord]

rofl.

Nintendo said **** your tech.

 

[Balgorxz]

and once again nintendo patches tech because no one address it as such, for example lag overlap is still in because it was addressed as a tech and not as a glitch.
we know this so this is our fault.

 

[FullMoon]

Granted, Running Shadow Sneak wasn't exactly a game changer, pretty nobody could pull it off consistently due to the strict timing. Losing an option sucks but it's not something that hurts Greninja, unlike say, the Water Shuriken nerf.

It doesn't really impact Greninja's viability so it's a fairly minor thing all things considered.

 

[Saturn_]

It happens in Melee because even the best characters have losing matchups to each other, and even then going solo Fox is still very viable. Who do Sheik and Diddy lose to?

None of the best players in the world (i.e. the Five Gods) enter tournaments without secondary characters who see heavy play.

No one wants to listen to me but I genuinely believe Lucario wins the matchup with Sheik. It's harder to say with Diddy for certain, because the undisputed best player in the world right now solo mains Diddy, but I think Luigi and Sheik beat Diddy.

 

[Djent]

I'm okay with bug fixes + minimal-to-no other balance adjustment.

*ducks*

*still gets grabbed by Diddy* "Hoo-Hah!"

 

[Emblem Lord]

Lucario loses the whole match over vs Sheik. He is ONLY a threat after he gets bodied. And in that case one mistake could spell death for either character. I don't see how he wins. Unless wins means he gets his ass handed to him then gets a lucky force palm.

Reminds me of Sagat vs Gouki in Vanilla SF4. Sagat had all the comeback potential in the world and Gouki had all the options. People gave it to Sagat at first but then people realized he just didnt have the tools to limit Gouki at all.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

Lucario's meta is force palm and bair.

 

[Balgorxz]

I'm okay with bug fixes + minimal-to-no other balance adjustment.

*ducks*

*still gets grabbed by Diddy* "Hoo-Hah!"

at least the D1 custom poll is being favorable to customs, that can rebalance the game a bit

 

[Funkermonster]

Dabuz, 2nd place winner of Apex, just created his own tier list for the game. You can find it here: http://www.eventhubs.com/images/201...ins-why-his-super-smash-bros-wii-u-tier-list/ He says characters in the same row are in no particular order, just to let you know

Personally, even though I'm not nearly on the same level as he is, I can't help but disagree with a whole lot of it. Recently, I've become more active in the competitive scene and have attended more tournaments with decent placings lately, and I wanted to come here and join the party and take part in these discussions, I've been missing out on all the fun and I think I've been meaning to come in sooner or later. I'm a little busy with my homework right now, (I'm slacking off ) but for now I'll just say these:

I honestly don't think is Top 5 or even Top 10 in this game, and if he is, he is really low in that 10. I definitely think he's above-average, but Top 5 is a huge stretch if you ask me.

I don't find , , , or (actually, I think Mario is an overrated character in general, I feel he'll eventually slip down a little once people get used to playing him overtime) as good as he ranked them either.

, , , , and even all have more potential than given credit for in my eyes. I can see these guys getting better overtime personally.

While I don't disagree that and are a little below average (without custom moves anyway), they can't really be Bottom bad, can they? I don't buy that Kirby, Zelda, and Ganon are better characters than they are; imo those guys are even worse.

I don't know how does honestly or how I feel about hi, his matchup spread seems weird. I don't think he's above average though.

Places where I definitely agree with him though are with Lucina, Diddy, Sheik, Pikachu, and a few others.

These of course are just my own opinions though, and like I said I am still learning the ropes myself so my opinions are all very questionable and probably not credible, so I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree with me on most any of these. Still, if you want to talk with me about it anyway though, I got all day tomorrow , gonna slack off from homework from again at the library.


What do you guys think of it btw?

 

[deepseadiva]

Dabuz, 2nd place winner of Apex, just created his own tier list-

Old news bruh.

 

[Nabbitnator]

Dabuz, 2nd place winner of Apex, just created his own tier list for the game. You can find it here: http://www.eventhubs.com/images/201...ins-why-his-super-smash-bros-wii-u-tier-list/ He says characters in the same row are in no particular order, just to let you know

Personally, even though I'm not nearly on the same level as he is, I can't help but disagree with a whole lot of it. Recently, I've become more active in the competitive scene and have attended more tournaments with decent placings lately, and I wanted to come here and join the party and take part in these discussions, I've been missing out on all the fun and I think I've been meaning to come in sooner or later. I'm a little busy with my homework right now, (I'm slacking off ) but for now I'll just say these:

I honestly don't think is Top 5 or even Top 10 in this game, and if he is, he is really low in that 10. I definitely think he's above-average, but Top 5 is a huge stretch if you ask me.

I don't find , , , or (actually, I think Mario is an overrated character in general, I feel he'll eventually slip down a little once people get used to playing him overtime) as good as he ranked them either.

, , , , and even all have more potential than given credit for in my eyes. I can see these guys getting better overtime personally.

While I don't disagree that and are a little below average (without custom moves anyway), they can't really be Bottom bad, can they? I don't buy that Kirby, Zelda, and Ganon are better characters than they are; imo those guys are even worse.

I don't know how does honestly or how I feel about hi, his matchup spread seems weird. I don't think he's above average though.

Places where I definitely agree with him though are with Lucina, Diddy, Sheik, Pikachu, and a few others.

These of course are just my own opinions though, and like I said I am still learning the ropes myself so my opinions are all very questionable and probably not credible, so I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree with me on most any of these. Still, if you want to talk with me about it anyway though, I got all day tomorrow , gonna slack off from homework from again at the library.


What do you guys think of it btw?

I don't think peach is top 5 since she doesn't have anything abusable but I think she is up there.

 

[ILOVESMASH]

Dabuz, 2nd place winner of Apex, just created his own tier list for the game. You can find it here: http://www.eventhubs.com/images/201...ins-why-his-super-smash-bros-wii-u-tier-list/ He says characters in the same row are in no particular order, just to let you know

Personally, even though I'm not nearly on the same level as he is, I can't help but disagree with a whole lot of it. Recently, I've become more active in the competitive scene and have attended more tournaments with decent placings lately, and I wanted to come here and join the party and take part in these discussions, I've been missing out on all the fun and I think I've been meaning to come in sooner or later. I'm a little busy with my homework right now, (I'm slacking off ) but for now I'll just say these:

I honestly don't think is Top 5 or even Top 10 in this game, and if he is, he is really low in that 10. I definitely think he's above-average, but Top 5 is a huge stretch if you ask me.

I don't find , , , or (actually, I think Mario is an overrated character in general, I feel he'll eventually slip down a little once people get used to playing him overtime) as good as he ranked them either.

, , , , and even all have more potential than given credit for in my eyes. I can see these guys getting better overtime personally.

While I don't disagree that and are a little below average (without custom moves anyway), they can't really be Bottom bad, can they? I don't buy that Kirby, Zelda, and Ganon are better characters than they are; imo those guys are even worse.

I don't know how does honestly or how I feel about hi, his matchup spread seems weird. I don't think he's above average though.

Places where I definitely agree with him though are with Lucina, Diddy, Sheik, Pikachu, and a few others.

These of course are just my own opinions though, and like I said I am still learning the ropes myself so my opinions are all very questionable and probably not credible, so I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree with me on most any of these. Still, if you want to talk with me about it anyway though, I got all day tomorrow , gonna slack off from homework from again at the library.


What do you guys think of it btw?

Only one I disagree with is Meta knight, which I believe should be placed around top B tier or low A-tier.

 

[HeroMystic]

I honestly don't think is Top 5 or even Top 10 in this game, and if he is, he is really low in that 10. I definitely think he's above-average, but Top 5 is a huge stretch if you ask me.

I'd like to know the reasoning behind this.

 

[Sinister Slush]

I would too.