Character Competitive Impressions

[Thinkaman]

If we fail to treat Zero as an outlier, we are forced to conclude that Diddy Kong is a very strong counter to Diddy Kong.

 

[Nu~]

Pac Man will probably be a decent counter (heh) to a custom Villager because Pac can take the sapling out of the game really easily. Simply by placing a hydrant on the sapling, Pac will no longer be tripped. This forces the Villager to either water the tree or pocket the hydrant if they want to regain stage control. Pocketing the hydrant is punishable and not really that great of an idea because Pac can just *Gasp* drop another on the sapling and bye bye annoying move. Watering the tree isn't a bad idea and can make for some interesting combos because of it's nature but it doesn't have the same stage control or scare factor as an immovable Diddy Banana that lasts forever. I was about to play one of Melbourne's top players online once for some custom friendlies. The player hyped up the move a lot and it was incredibly anti-climactic when I just dropped a hydrant down on the sapling and took it completely out of the game.

I believe we can drop a trampoline on top of it too, just like we can to diddy's bananas. And every lloid rocket is destroyed by the side B pellet.
Villager is forced to go on the offensive in this match, and it is a fun one indeed.
Unless he steals our fruit and never lets it go...then It might become incredibly campy

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I mean, Dabuz got 3-0'd by Zero.

But he still reverse beat M2K with Olimar after he lost twice with Rosalina with Olimar.

 

[Antonykun]

I believe we can drop a trampoline on top of it too, just like we can to diddy's bananas. And every lloid rocket is destroyed by the side B pellet.
Villager is forced to go on the offensive in this match, and it is a fun one indeed.
Unless he steals our fruit and never lets I it go...then I don't know how anyone is going to approach

Not like Villager doesn't want to go offensive .

 

[etecoon]

Olimar does not have that good of a matchup against diddy did you see Apex 2015 grand finals? Zero 3-0 'd That one olimar and the whole time you could see Zero had it wrapped up.

Dabuz got exposed in that set, not Olimar. M2K is closer to dabuz's level and he also got 3-0'd after Oli came out

I don't have much of an opinion on the MU yet but that set wasn't a good example, a lot of it was just Zero calling what dabuz was going to do before he did it. If he had dropped games while being that far inside his opponents head what would that say about the MU, is the MU bad if the other character doesn't win some just for showing up?

No one literally on the entire planet is on Zero's level right now, if you want to use him as an example you need to look at HOW he's winning in depth instead of simply the fact that he does so convincingly.

 

[Nu~]

Not like Villager doesn't want to go offensive .

Villager offensive vs Pac-Man offensive is so fun. It has to be my favorite matchup outside of the Mega man vs Pac man match

 

[BSP]

Unless he steals our fruit and never lets it go...then It might become incredibly campy

Losing battle for Villager if Pac-Man is using On Fire Hydrant, but I don't think Villager will be devoted to camping anyway.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

If we fail to treat Zero as an outlier, we are forced to conclude that Diddy Kong is a very strong counter to Diddy Kong.

Thought experiment: If a character has 6:4 matchups (or better) across the board except for the mirror, which is 5:5, is that character technically a counter to itself?

 

[deepseadiva]

Villager can just take it out and repocket. The misconception here is that the bananas are Diddy's sole asset. He's got plenty of tricks up his sleeve, so it's not like Villager shuts him down.

A banana-less Diddy is at least a step forward for the character.

I might experiment with Villager as a "Diddy counter". Though I doubt a real one exists in this game.

 

[Forty4]

Could someone explain to me why ZSS and Sonic are considered top-tier?

 

[NachoOfCheese]

Top tiers are going to happen no matter how balanced a game is. I don't mind Diddy in that sense. I only wish that he wasn't top tier just to have someone with a steeper learning curve at the top. Diddy isn't difficult to learn, and has a high skill ceiling and a low skill floor. Which is not the best combination for an otherwise solid game in terms of balance.

 

[|RK|]

On that note... potential balancing with today's patch?

 

[Nu~]

On that note... potential balancing with today's patch?

Today? Or tommorow

 

[Yonder]

On that note... potential balancing with today's patch?

Oh? There's a patch today? The last one didn't have gameplay changes...I'd think we'd get one with Mewtwo if anything.

 

[Ffamran]

Today? Or tommorow

For me, today. I don't know about other regions, though. It's patch 1.05 for the 3DS and does kill replays, so there's probably changes. How major they are, we don't know.

 

[Paper Maribro]

Just imagine if Nintendo knew what patch notes were.

I dream of that day.

 

[NachoOfCheese]

For me, today. I don't know about other regions, though. It's patch 1.05 for the 3DS and does kill replays, so there's probably changes. How major they are, we don't know.

So far it's just the amiibo thing? Maybe not?

 

[Antonykun]

Just imagine if Nintendo knew what patch notes were.

I dream of that day.

don't we all?

 

[thehard]

I'm probably overthinking it, but it would be funny if Ninty intentionally withheld patch notes to see what changes in gameplay people "discover" (which is often placebo) and then collect THAT data for further evaluation... maybe too far-fetched.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

On that note... potential balancing with today's patch?

Safe to say that if replays still work then nothing was changed.

Also, what patch?

 

[|RK|]

Safe to say that if replays still work then nothing was changed.

Also, what patch?

1.0.5, 3DS. And I know - replays don't work anymore.

 

[Yokoblue]

If replay are no longer valid, does that confirm balance changes ? I think last time there was a patch (15 8 player stage) we could still watch replay no ?

 

[Paper Maribro]

It feels like they're being intentionally difficult when every single goddamn patch has the line "as well as other gameplay adjustments." even when there aren't

for the record Villager can pocket the bonus fruit and as long as Villager has the fruin in her hand Pacman can't spawn another one. IDK how the insanity that is customs pac-man vs customs Villager will actually playout

I didn't mention the fruit. Hydrant is more important in a custom Villager game really as it just wipes out your sapling.

 

[ParanoidDrone]

1.0.5, 3DS. And I know - replays don't work anymore.

Welp. Let's see...

In order to let you play the game more comfortably, we have also fixed some issues.

ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME NINTENDO?

 

[Yonder]

Well I'm downloading the patch now. So I guess I'll let you all know?

EDIT 1: Taking a looooong time. 5 minutes now and 75% done?

 

[Yokoblue]

Its going be pretty easy to test if there was any balance patch...
First thing to test... HOO AH !

If no changes, there was no changes in the patch

 

[Nu~]

All I need is Pac-Man with charizard's grab...the reign of pac shall begin

 

[Yonder]

Finished downloading, I got this message right away : "Your friends can send replays, Mii Fighters, snapshots, and messages to you via SpotPass using Share mode. Would you like to receive these? Yes/No.

So...

EDIT: Replays do NOT work now.

 

[Yokoblue]

Finished downloading, I got this message right away : "Your friends can send replays, Mii Fighters, snapshots, and messages to you via SpotPass using Share mode. Would you like to receive these? Yes/No.

So...

EDIT: Replays do NOT work now.

Could be because of the new feature... They probably need to add some data to the replay files for the sharing to work... I dont think there will be any balance in this patch...

 

[Yonder]

Ok I think I'm having a nightmare...is Luigi's D throw not comboing as well anyone? :SI hope it's just me...

 

[Nu~]

Ok I think I'm having a nightmare...is Luigi's D throw not comboing as well anyone? :SI hope it's just me...

I hope its placebo. If not...we just lost a high tier

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Super Smash Bros. Patch 2: Electric Boogalo

Let the pandemonium begin!

Smooth Criminal

 

[Antonykun]

Why would they even take away his down throw while leaving Diddy's demon throw intact?

 

[TTTTTsd]

Ok I think I'm having a nightmare...is Luigi's D throw not comboing as well anyone? :SI hope it's just me...

Pretty sure it's just you, I think someone in the patch 1.0.5 thread checked and found his D-Throw to be the same.

 

[Nu~]

Did you test diddy yet?

 

[Yonder]

I'm seriously the only one with the patch?

Diddy's HOO HAA IS GONE. It launches them sideways now. EDIT: Um...leads to a bair or fair now.

 

[Nu~]

I'm seriously the only one with the patch?

Diddy's HOO HAA IS GONE

Hory Shet....
Time to bow to shiek

 

[Antonykun]

Um guys how about we wait or help with a community patchnotes instead of making such bold claims?

 

[thehard]

I believe nothing until I see engine comparisons.

 

[Yonder]

Game and Watch U smash kills at 65 now fully charged.