Chain Grabbing MK *UPDATED! SEE 1st POST*

[Shaya]

Marth can pretty much do a fully charged shield breaker he has so much frame advantage after fthrow on mk at 0%.

Just the timing for it is hella annoying.

(Actually, I believe fthrow to shield breaker uncharged is actually real, by about 1 frame)

 

[Xyro77]

isn't xyro the guy that had to cheat just to beat a bowser main in a mm? thats what I heard anyway

how did i cheat? the vids are up and i see no cheating

 

[Saybr]

Chain grab on MK? I definitely need to learn this! Looking forward to the vid!

 

[Ripple]

another thread about MK??? NOOOOOOO

inb4mycounterprtlocksthis

 

[Albert.]

Watching the matches vs Zigsta.

Xyro you make Samus look scary LOLL

 

[Zigsta]

Watching the matches vs Zigsta.

Xyro you make Samus look scary LOLL

Xyro got LUCKY.

Spoiler

That I play Bowser

Nike, you need to do this CG in teams!

 

[_Kadaj_]

lol Zigsta some of those stocks were sad

 

[Umby]

great find craig =] now find one on ROB

I second this motion. Get on it.

 

[Zigsta]

lol Zigsta some of those stocks were sad

Yeah.

All good though. Rematch hype for Dec 4!

 

[_Kadaj_]

You got this Zigsta, btw why do Bowsers not Chain Grab characters via pummel release?

 

[Zigsta]

You got this Zigsta, btw why do Bowsers not Chain Grab characters via pummel release?

Bowser has GR chain grabs on a handful of the cast--Samus being one of them--but my timing was off in friendlies, so I didn't risk it in the MM.

 

[Crackle]

Having just been reading a "True Combo" list for Marth, I'm thinking we should def. test this stuff out on all characters and get it on the drawing board.

SOMEBODY STICKY that discussion

 

[toki]

Is there like gonna be a video tutorial of this coming up soon? a noob like me who doesnt even understand all these frame data business needs a video tutorial for nubs

 

[Remzi]

Fthrow>Dthrow>Fsmash on MK is certainly not guaranteed

and the problem is the fsmash.

 

[iamjason8]

Wow nice.. Sounds really hard though. :S

 

[Zorai]

I've been doing this on MK for quite some time now:

f-throw -> uptilt -> shield their dair -> regrab (you don't have to move) -> GR fair

28%

They have 3 options after the uptilt: dair, jump, and airdodge. Two of which get ***** by Marth. Just hold shield after uptilt (important). They daired? Grab. They airdodged? Side-b. As for if they jump, you can read their landing. It's really unlikely that they do anything else, but like I said, just hold shield.

And yes, the uptilt is guaranteed.

Use this as a mixup, as almost no MKs know about it.

 

[Crackle]

I've been doing this on MK for quite some time now:

f-throw -> uptilt -> shield their dair -> regrab (you don't have to move) -> GR fair

28%

They have 3 options after the uptilt: dair, jump, and airdodge. Two of which get ***** by Marth. Just hold shield after uptilt (important). They daired? Grab. They airdodged? Side-b. As for if they jump, you can read their landing. It's really unlikely that they do anything else, but like I said, just hold shield.

And yes, the uptilt is guaranteed.

Use this as a mixup, as almost no MKs know about it.

Jump with a covering Dair -> land either with a retreating aerial or tornado.
I don't see why that setup would work on a good MK.

The chaingrab on MK is ridiculously easy when the prospect of DAC-grab comes in.
THANK YOU for the find Kadaj. I was getting sick of the occasional slip on dthrowing Falco and getting dthrowed back.

Why wasn't this figured out when DAC-grab was discovered?!?!?!?!?!!?

 

[Albert.]

I've been doing this on MK for quite some time now:

f-throw -> uptilt -> shield their dair -> regrab (you don't have to move) -> GR fair

28%

They have 3 options after the uptilt: dair, jump, and airdodge. Two of which get ***** by Marth. Just hold shield after uptilt (important). They daired? Grab. They airdodged? Side-b. As for if they jump, you can read their landing. It's really unlikely that they do anything else, but like I said, just hold shield.

And yes, the uptilt is guaranteed.

Use this as a mixup, as almost no MKs know about it.

...

I really really hope you're a troll.

 

[Zorai]

It's just food for thought.

@ Albert - how?

 

[ZeroL]

Wow, really nice find Kadaj. I've been practicing this now and I'm getting the hang of it.
*hoping to pull this off against a MK*

Oh btw, I'm a new marth so you may not know me at all. xD

 

[_Kadaj_]

Thanks man, good luck to using Mart in the future

 

[Crackle]

Is this worth it over the fthrow -> neutral air into grab/fsmash/sideb combo? Doesn't seem that way unless the MK is too near the ledge.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Well you see Crackle those things don't actually work given the proper DI you can easily get out at the first hit of the Nair

 

[Mr-R]

^ the 1st hit of nair is DI'ABLE so its not guarenteed.
i still use it alot though XD s

 

[Crackle]

I guess if you do it more than once the opponent would adapt, that makes sense.

I think Grab pummel to grab release and boost regrab would be a cool mindgame to do on someone and get them closer to the ledge.
Mr R you use SideB to catch them and regrab don't you? You think boost regrab is better or worse in the frames it gives the opponent to react?

 

[_Kadaj_]

If you jump and dancing blade after a grab release its a free up air for MK to hit you with.

It's better to get guaranteed damage then going for gimmicks

 

[Pierce7d]

I believe we've known about a Dthrow CG since 08. Also, Dthrow - Fthrow - Fsmash should be guaranteed, even if Fthrow, Dthrow, Fsmash is not.

I'm not 100% sure though, I forget. I LOL at the idea of using Fsmash straight from a throw against MK now.

 

[Remzi]

Fthrow > Fthrow > Fsmash is 27% and hella easy, you just have to delay the fsmash by like 15ish frames. I'll test it later.

 

[_Kadaj_]

You can just studder step backwards if you want to land a tipper f smash after a forward throw.

Again I'm pretty sure you can't re-grab MK with a forward throw

 

[VibeSlyph]

This thread would be a 1000x better if you had a video.
I would totally help the Marth Boards, if I had any idea what the hell I was talking about half the time.

 

[_Kadaj_]

I'll try and get a vid up soon now that I'm back home

 

[demonictoonlink]

I can't make a video, but I can make an text drawing thing

0% + (does boost grabs following explanation) = 32% probably

You're all welcome. Especially you, the reader.

 

[VibeSlyph]

I can't make a video, but I can make an text drawing thing

0% + (does boost grabs following explanation) = 32% probably

You're all welcome. Especially you, the reader.

I understand completely.

 

[Blacknight99923]

fun fact:

Kadaj posted this on japanese boards weeks ago.

 

[_Kadaj_]

lol Soren, I told Leon ago good bit before hand as well

 

[KillLock]

nice find.

 

[basvhout]

Fthrow>Nair>Fsmash is almost the same %. ofcourse MK can di out it of. but you have plenty options with Fthrow>Nair. I don't think it's worth pulling of a much harder CG...

but that's just me :]

 

[Pierce7d]

Fthrow>Nair>Fsmash is almost the same %. ofcourse MK can di out it of. but you have plenty options with Fthrow>Nair. I don't think it's worth pulling of a much harder CG...

but that's just me :]

This is how I feel pretty much.

 

[_Kadaj_]

Really? it's like saying I know I can CG Falco but instead of dealing this guaranteed damage let me go for this gimmick and hope they don't have the brains to just hold down after the forward throw and then go on to hit me with the frame adv. they now have from doing something so simple as just HOLDING DOWN.

It's not even hard once you get the timing down which it took me all of 30 mins to do so mainly because I hadn't practiced DAC Grabbing before.

 

[Pierce7d]

out of the CG, you don't have many options. I typically land upwards of 43% from a grab at 0, and put myself in a very good position.