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[KirbyKaze]

comedy answer: anything revolving around m2k being a robot

actual answer: m2k's super super gay punishment game

 

[AceDudeyeah]

Why does Marth sometimes up-b's the opposite direction you directed him to?
Like it usually happens when I'm hanging on the edge and drop/ledgehop into some edgeguard, and then make him up-b back on to grab edge(the stage is to the right) and he up-b's facing left!!
Now I know sometimes it may have been my thumb sub-consciously twitching to avoid getting "battle-fielded" or something, but there are darn-out-right times when I'm holding diagonally up and to the right during my aerial attack and then when I hit B, he goes up and to the left!

 

[Cactuar]

Pretty much what KK said. Out of all the players at my level-ish, I have one of the worst combo(punishment) games. Fortunately, I also have one of the best first hit games, so it kinda balances out. If I could combo half as well as M2K, I'd be one scary mofo.

I honestly just dont have all that much fun comboing people. I like first hitting because there is so much push and pull involved there that I feel this great sense of reward for landing that hit. Any subsequent hits is just this one sided chase for me.

 

[Strong Badam]

Mew2King & Cactuar's playstyles are too different to definitively state what Cactuar lacks by comparison. There are definitely aspects of Cactuar's Marth that Mew2King's Marth could benefit from, such as his ability to play the same match-up in very different ways. Mew2King's places higher, though, so either Cactuar stops caring about winning partway through a tourney or Mew2King's Marth just performs better in a tournament environment.

 

[MT_]

Cactuar, you should try Brawl. I heard that game is more about first-hitting than comboing.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Mew2King & Cactuar's playstyles are too different to definitively state what Cactuar lacks by comparison. There are definitely aspects of Cactuar's Marth that Mew2King's Marth could benefit from, such as his ability to play the same match-up in very different ways. Mew2King's places higher, though, so either Cactuar stops caring about winning partway through a tourney or Mew2King's Marth just performs better in a tournament environment.

Nah, Cactuar's Marth never really learned how to combo.

 

[Strong Badam]

What's a combo?

 

[KirbyKaze]

u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw pivot u-throw turn around u-tilt u-throw tipped u-tilt uair tipper f-smash on fox with specific DIs on FD

 

[Cactuar]

Cactuar, you should try Brawl. I heard that game is more about first-hitting than comboing.

The only vague form of punishment that I really enjoy is this thing thats like... setups that lead into setups that lead into setups. None of it is actually a combo, but in every one of the situations, the other person has very few actual options to choose from despite having control of their character. Brawl... doesn't really have that. It is way too forgiving in pretty much every aspect and is far too boring because of it.

 

[Roneblaster]

Sounds like cactus likes techchasing. Play more falcon, imo.

 

[Cactuar]

Its not techchasing. Techchasing, the opponent doesn't really get full control of their character, they just make one of 4 choices.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Nair against turnips? Good idea or dumb? First hit to stop turnips, 2nd hit to apply pressure upon landing.

The only vague form of punishment that I really enjoy is this thing thats like... setups that lead into setups that lead into setups. None of it is actually a combo, but in every one of the situations, the other person has very few actual options to choose from despite having control of their character. Brawl... doesn't really have that. It is way too forgiving in pretty much every aspect and is far too boring because of it.

Brawl is no different from what you describe. Only difference is that those few options are really good.

 

[makoforce]

no brawl is boring and its not really action packed. It doesnt invole any deep thiking that melee involves. so half of the match youre trying not to get 3 stocked by boredom.

 

[Tee ay eye]

edit: nevermind

 

[booshk]

u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw u-throw pivot u-throw turn around u-tilt u-throw tipped u-tilt uair tipper f-smash on fox with specific DIs on FD

LOLll perfect

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

falco near ledge fthrow fthrow dtilt run-off fair 2nd jump dair recovery optional

 

[Thats-husbands-color]

First off Holy Balls there are a lot of pages so sorry if this has been asked. Ive seen M2K do this and have no idea how its done. When you grab on the ledge how do u do the shield breaker and grab the ledge again?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

you jump and then press b in quick succession.

 

[ChivalRuse]

... which is easier said than done.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

precisely. ive only done it like once... which is less than the times i've done sheik's run-off needle cancel edge grab and fox's ledgehop laser regrab

inb4dartsays"idothisallthetime"

 

[Thats-husbands-color]

So u just literally have to press it mad fast after u jump? Do u wait till the peak of ur jump or just try to press it immediately?

 

[MT_]

The timing is only about as narrow as doing double shines as Fox, I don't see why people think it's that hard.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I didn't know you could do this. Cool. No idea where it would ever come in handy.

Anyway, to perform this you drop down, 2nd jump, then press B. All really fast. That's about it. I would say this has to be done about as fast as you would have to do SHDL with fox in smash64

 

[Cactuar]

It's not really all that useful lol. And if you mess it up and miss the opponent with the actual move, you are going to get edgeguarded super easily.

 

[makoforce]

ive done it alot

 

[booshk]

just practise i can do it like 50% of the time now, but when i apply it in game and i miss it i get effed up LOL

 

[makoforce]

But yea its not really useful.

 

[mexicanmax227]

I think sword dance and fair **** against spacies. Tell me your thoughts cactuor. What moves do you c as consistent against fox or falco. When I'm a stock up I'll try dash or stilts ya know cheap stuff. What do you usually do against spacies???

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Bunch of new Cactus Marth vids on Eggm's channel

 

[Tee ay eye]

TheEggm, right?

I don't see anything... except SSF4 vids and some friendlies with StricNYN3

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

TheEggm, right?

Yup.

I don't see anything... except SSF4 vids and some friendlies with StricNYN3

They are labeled Eggm v. StricNYN3 v. Cactuar. Some of them don't include Cactus (only Eggm v. StricNYN3) or Cactus is playing another character, but there are still probably 15 or so Marth vids.

Example video

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

It's not really all that useful lol. And if you mess it up and miss the opponent with the actual move, you are going to get edgeguarded super easily.

Alright 2nd jump -> fair -> regrab superior to 2nd jump -> B -> regrab
We have revolutioned the ledge game.

 

[stelzig]

The timing is only about as narrow as doing double shines as Fox, I don't see why people think it's that hard.

It's definitely easier than doubleshining with fox. I've only ever done a double shine with fox once or twice. I can do that shieldbreaker thing in a couple of tries. It is somewhere between double lasering with fox and multishines (with fox) though I suppose. Only ever used shieldbreaker from the edge once in an actual match though - and there I failed to regrab, lol. But didn't matter I knocked the opponent far enough away anyway =]

You should probably take what button people use to jump into consideration btw. With Y and stick I can see how people can cover jump and B pretty fast, but with X (which I use) you can't really. Took me a while before I even learned to SHDL.

 

[Tee ay eye]

It's definitely easier than doubleshining with fox. I've only ever done a double shine with fox once or twice. I can do that shieldbreaker thing in a couple of tries. It is somewhere between double lasering with fox and multishines (with fox) though I suppose. Only ever used shieldbreaker from the edge once in an actual match though - and there I failed to regrab, lol. But didn't matter I knocked the opponent far enough away anyway =]

You should probably take what button people use to jump into consideration btw. With Y and stick I can see how people can cover jump and B pretty fast, but with X (which I use) you can't really. Took me a while before I even learned to SHDL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8_gaTq3bc8#t=13s

I can't do ledgehop regrab shieldbreakers

 

[Cactuar]

Yup.



They are labeled Eggm v. StricNYN3 v. Cactuar. Some of them don't include Cactus (only Eggm v. StricNYN3) or Cactus is playing another character, but there are still probably 15 or so Marth vids.

Example video

Lol. Yayvids.

 

[booshk]

I think doubleshines are easier :o

 

[Winnar]

So sheik is a confusing character to fight as marth

 

[KirbyKaze]

Niko you might not be my mancrush anymore.

I dunno why but Nite seems really adorable.




You still may be my mancrush though.

 

[Dart!]

So sheik is a confusing character to fight as marth

If you seek advice, ask and you shall receive young marth

Niko you might not be my mancrush anymore.

I dunno why but Nite seems really adorable.




You still may be my mancrush though.

Again with an amazing avvy. <3

 

[Niko45]

Alright KK, keep me posted I guess.