Can Marth become top tier again?

[Archangel]

peach was actually looking pretty bad from like, 08 until the first genesis

or pretty much, during the transition from cort to armada
when the only peaches were pink shinobi and vwins
in america, anyway
before americans REALLY gave armada the light of day; i'm pretty sure europe knew what was up before genesis, but we didn't

Peach PAL >Peach Ntsc. Her toughest MU's are Nerfed so...why not play her I guess. Thats why Europe had so many peaches. I remember during International crews at Gen1 there were like 4 or 5 peaches lol.

Also Vwins is Canadian.....I thought?

also Peach has historically been worse than Marth. From 00-08 I'd say. From 09-011 I think Peach has beat out Marth in every way possible including head to head. Many times Marths vs Peachs in bracket result in Peach>Marth as well so I wouldn't be so fast to say Marth>Peach.

 

[Tee ay eye]

From 09-011 I think Peach Armada has beat out Marth Mew2king in every way possible including head to head. Many times Marths vs Peachs in bracket result in Peach>Marth as well so I wouldn't be so fast to say Marth>Peach.

Out of curiosity, what other significant Marth vs Peach sets come into consideration?

I'm not even disagreeing with your whole point or anything, I'm just curious about that one part about Peach beating Marth head-to-head.

 

[Archangel]

Out of curiosity, what other significant Marth vs Peach sets come into consideration?

I'm not even disagreeing with your whole point or anything, I'm just curious about that one part about Peach beating Marth head-to-head.

how about any peach that has played any Marth for example. M2K and Armada may have been the highest level. You could even say Armada provided the blueprint but from then on.

MacD has gone 9 for 2 vs marth that I've seen for example

 

[OverLord]

I can't see any Marth player around that knows how to deal against Peach out of M2K and Ice.

Just saying. Don't really care 'bout who's better.

 

[Tee ay eye]

poor hax, he always runs into someone stupidly good round 2 and then tears through loser's and still places well. mad good but has the worst luck bracket-wise LOL

he doesn't always run into someone stupidly good round 2.

he almost always loses in R2, but a lot of the times, it's to someone that he wouldn't be expected to lose to in round 2. like at apex, he lost to IB. at the first genesis, he lost to lovage (before lovage was that good).

though, at pound 4, he lost to hbox (which is sorta expected), and at pound 5, he lost to zhu... and i guess zhu's a falcon slayer or something....

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Zhu is just zhu. Hes ****ing zhu, dude.

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

just incase anybody didn't read sveet's post above mine...

i'll repeat it again

he's ****ing zhu, dude!

seriously zhu is amazing >_>

 

[Harbinger]

also Peach has historically been worse than Marth. From 00-08 I'd say. From 09-011 I think Peach has beat out Marth in every way possible including head to head. Many times Marths vs Peachs in bracket result in Peach>Marth as well so I wouldn't be so fast to say Marth>Peach.

This is not an objective analysis of either character.
What you are stating as 'historic' is indeed conjecture based
on the PLAYER POOL (read: metagame) of the time, on top of other
infinitely miniscule details.Such as the angle of the earth in relation to the sun, or moon.
The directoin of the wind, the day of the week, the ratio of oxygen in the air.
what the color of the floor was. . . the color of the controller. . .the level of volume in the room. . . the volume of people behind the tv. . .


...the amount of black people taunting you. . . . . .​

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So, whoever said Taj "scraped out his wins" vs. mango probably hasn't watched the set.

 

[Archangel]

What?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[leffen]

Jesus you guys are so stupid...


1. In Europe there is ONE peach main who travels. His name starts with A and ends with Rmada. Peach isnt more dominant over here, armada simply is.
2. Marth wins the matchup. M2K doesnt even main marth and Armada is a way better at the matchup = Armada wins. Both M2K and AR agree that Marth wins the matchup. Armadas marth would and has won over every other peach player.

3. Marth has been the by FAR most successful character in the history of smash. EK, Azen, Ken and M2K. Peach has had ONE player that has actually won tournament. What happened? What ****ing things came up that made Marth players the whiny little girls of the community? Every other fkn character mains are hopeful, motivated. Compare the CF, ICs boards to the marth boards and just laugh at the huge difference.


It must be the fkn tiara.


4. Hax is one of the most overrated players in the world. He has a unique style and is probably the best CF main but he is far from as good as ppl think he is. He doesnt fkn perform for a reason. You don't get unlucky when you're that good, they get unlucky. And just compare AR's bracket at the big nationals to Hax's.

 

[Brookman]

Leffen just sounds mad :/

 

[Tee ay eye]

<3 william hjelte

 

[leffen]

Hjelte means Hero in swedish. Thats right. EAT IT

 

[King Funk]

So many L's in this page.

 

[Archangel]

Jesus you guys are so stupid...


1. In Europe there is ONE peach main who travels. His name starts with A and ends with Rmada. Peach isnt more dominant over here, armada simply is.
2. Marth wins the matchup. M2K doesnt even main marth and Armada is a way better at the matchup = Armada wins. Both M2K and AR agree that Marth wins the matchup. Armadas marth would and has won over every other peach player.

3. Marth has been the by FAR most successful character in the history of smash. EK, Azen, Ken and M2K. Peach has had ONE player that has actually won tournament. What happened? What ****ing things came up that made Marth players the whiny little girls of the community? Every other fkn character mains are hopeful, motivated. Compare the CF, ICs boards to the marth boards and just laugh at the huge difference.


It must be the fkn tiara.


4. Hax is one of the most overrated players in the world. He has a unique style and is probably the best CF main but he is far from as good as ppl think he is. He doesnt fkn perform for a reason. You don't get unlucky when you're that good, they get unlucky. And just compare AR's bracket at the big nationals to Hax's.

Peach vs Marth now reminds me of Puff vs Sheik years ago. It's the same thing but eventually as good as sheik is with the increase in skills of puff eventually people gave way to Puff>Sheik. I wonder if the same thing will happen here....hmmm.

Personally I think I should still beat peach but It won't be easy. I'm not sure I can see a world where my Marth ever beat Armada's Peach.......but ya never know. I might have to pull out an epic alt should that day arrive.

As for you. Why are you so angry?

Why you so mad bro?

 

[Harbinger]

Peach vs Marth now reminds me of Puff vs Sheik years ago. It's the same thing but eventually as good as sheik is with the increase in skills of puff eventually people gave way to Puff>Sheik. I wonder if the same thing will happen here....hmmm.

Your concept of "character vs. character" is skewed and flawed beyond reason. The general quality of your posts is extremely lacking and I fear you have no relatively useful concepts related to this game.

Out of curiosity, what other significant Marth vs Peach sets come into consideration?

I'm not even disagreeing with your whole point or anything, I'm just curious about that one part about Peach beating Marth head-to-head.

disclaimer:

em·pir·i·cal/emˈpirikəl/ (EMPIRICAL)
Adjective: Based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZ2yZjyviQ EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT MARTH > PEACH
****, while we're at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Le1QMXJUE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT FOX > PUFF

To make things confusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Le1QMXJUE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT SHEIK > FOX


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jCZZE7h70U EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT PUFF > SHEIK

SO.. .PUFF > SHEIK > MARTH > PEACH > FOX

What?

Really try to soak that first frame in:

u bad.

Leffen just sounds mad :/

Ya, and not even in the troll sense of "y u mad?" but more like. .. he's an angry alcoholic who beats his wife and kid and then comes on to SWF to vent.

 

[Niko45]

Europe's just mad cause Hax plowed Amsah at P5.

 

[Archangel]

I like how you show evidence supporting my claims technically. Then you post Fox vs Puff which was not on topic at all....then Amsah getting bodied which just made everyone sad...whats your deal?

 

[Niko45]

I really like how Taj plays vs Peach btw. I def picked up a few things watching him play MacD.

 

[Archangel]

I really like how Taj plays vs Peach btw. I def picked up a few things watching him play MacD.

I've picked up my own things from getting beaten by peach nonsensical dash attacks and ****....I think I have to find a way to play aggressive enough so peach can't pull turnips. Every peach I play against gets like 2 stitch-faces and ba-bombs per match....

I liked how Taj Played it though. Except vs armada when he fell over the setup.

 

[Brookman]

I like how you show evidence supporting my claims technically

No, I'm pretty sure he was making a point which obviously went way over your head.

 

[Archangel]

No, I'm pretty sure he was making a point which obviously went way over your head.

He posted Evidence of M2K vs Cort. from the pre-brawl days before peaches figured out how to DI/Get inside of Marth. Its like me saying MSN>Yahoo Msnger and then showing the first version of yahoo msnger ever...doesn't really make much sense but anyways. Most people who talk about match-ups are thinking present/future.

based on his train of thought if you were to make a statement about America based on verifiable by observation or experience. Someone could easily argue the America is a racist country with the minorities being treated like 2nd class citizens and living like 3rd class ones.

Is it true? Yes it was true for a very very long time. Recent year no it's not true some people still think so and every once in awhile evidence still pops up that could support it but for the most part there is "EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE" That things have changed to the point where that original statement that was once very true is now very false. Dig?

 

[Brookman]

He posted Evidence of M2K vs Cort. from the pre-brawl days before peaches figured out how to DI/Get inside of Marth.

Case in point. I didn't even read beyond this.


You are not talking about match-ups, you silly ( insert demeaning adjective ).
You are talking about Cort (an individual) playing against m2k (another individual).
Character selection is likely to have had no bearing on the result of the match


...unless cort's falcon had been on that day, but that's another story.

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Originally Posted by Spam_arrows View Post
Peach vs Marth now reminds me of Puff vs Sheik years ago. It's the same thing but eventually as good as sheik is with the increase in skills of puff eventually people gave way to Puff>Sheik. I wonder if the same thing will happen here....hmmm.

Your concept of "character vs. character" is skewed and flawed beyond reason. The general quality of your posts is extremely lacking and I fear you have no relatively useful concepts related to this game.

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Originally Posted by Tee ay eye View Post
Out of curiosity, what other significant Marth vs Peach sets come into consideration?

I'm not even disagreeing with your whole point or anything, I'm just curious about that one part about Peach beating Marth head-to-head.

disclaimer:

disclaimer:

em·pir·i·cal/emˈpirikəl/ (EMPIRICAL)
Adjective: Based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZ2yZjyviQ EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT MARTH > PEACH
****, while we're at it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Le1QMXJUE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT FOX > PUFF

To make things confusing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5Le1QMXJUE EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT SHEIK > FOX


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jCZZE7h70U EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT PUFF > SHEIK

SO.. .PUFF > SHEIK > MARTH > PEACH > FOX[/COLLAPSE]

How can this be taken . . . remotely serious??

I just wan to make an amendment to harbinger's tier list here,
YOUNG LINK > PUFF > SHEIK > MARTH > PEACH > FOX.
So,Young Link is top tier. Or. . . is Armada top tier?? Is there even a difference??

To get back to the topic point, Does it matter if Marth is top tier??


Of course not!!


This topic is irrelevant to a point. It at least serves for all of us to just take mental ****s on the subject of the game.

 

[crush]

whats an mew two king?

 

[Brookman]

Ah, it's friday night. I see your mother let you out of the cage, crush.

 

[huMps]

After watching JTEG vids vs MikeG and Xif(or whatever it is) I became instantly better at the match up. Bait and **** that dash attack. Peaches love it.

 

[crush]

Ah, it's friday night. I see your mother let you out of the cage, crush.

I'm usually on everyday. I wasn't here this week because I was away at summer camp ( not in a cage)

everyday I'm smashin

 

[Brookman]

summer camp sounds awful lot like a cage.

 

[Archangel]

C..

I stopped reading beyond this point.

welcome to ignore.

on a positive note Marth can be a top tier again it's just a question of rather or not someone decides to put in the work. Pretty much what I said page or 2 ago.

So....close?

 

[huMps]

M2k ***** any fox.
Taj can beat any Falco.
We need someone who can do both of these. Marth can, but for some reason we as marth mains can't seem to do them both.
It seems to me that almost all the high level marth mains right now **** certain match ups and are really poor at others.
and Ken and falcomist get ***** by Link

 

[Taj278]

I'm working on it, lol.

 

[Brookman]

My goal is to have my self on everyone's ignore list. Then I can post porn and no one will even know.


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I stopped reading beyond this point.

Clever.

welcome to ignore.

Cliche.

rather or not

LOL[/COLLAPSE]

I don't think it is safe to say,

"X player can beat anyone using character A-P." . . .do I even need to explain??

 

[Archangel]

I realized I have a hard time adjusting to Styles when it comes to Spacies for some reason. It took me Months to learn how to fight really technical spacies so now when I play someone who's not really technical...I'm like...wtf is he doing? and wtf do I do now?....weird right?

me Sandbag_arrows vs LuigiMain trying to play spacies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLKDYST58HM

clearly this ain't right.

 

[Harbinger]

You are obviously just bad, and should stop playing.
edit: def not as bad as the falco player tho.

Basically, any information you gleen about the "match-up" from playing this guy is going to be worthless, and you are better off just theory-crafting till you can play a more experienced and skiller player.

 

[Archangel]

You are obviously just bad, and should stop playing.
edit: def not as bad as the falco player tho.

Basically, any information you gleen about the "match-up" from playing this guy is going to be worthless, and you are better off just theory-crafting till you can play a more experienced and skiller player.

LOL I'm not feeding you either so feel free to respond to me if you wish but I'll just see a blank spot from now on.

If you think that I've got my information on Marth vs Fox/Falco from a friendly set with someone who doesn't even play them than...your stupid. I've played all the best Falco/Foxes on the east cost (minus Dr.PP ). I gather my info based on first hand encounters and observations. Marth vs Falco/Fox is basically 50/50 depends on who ****s who up first/last I'd say.

anyways....go back to your dumpster! *beats with stick*

 

[Aesir]

I like to derp derp derp with marth all day long.

 

[Harbinger]

I like to derp derp derp with marth all day long.

I can vouch for this.

 

[crush]

summer camp sounds awful lot like a cage.

Brookman I am tired of you making fun of me

 

[Brookman]

Brookman I am tired of you making fun of me

Are you claiming defeat??

 

[NeutralDamage]

M2k ***** any fox.
Taj can beat any Falco.
We need someone who can do both of these. Marth can, but for some reason we as marth mains can't seem to do them both.
It seems to me that almost all the high level marth mains right now **** certain match ups and are really poor at others.
and Ken and falcomist get ***** by Link

No-one beats Peach, puff and sheik. About falco, I want to wait for the next encounter of pp vs taj before making conclusions about marth being able to beat all falco's. Though Taj beat him legit last time, got to give him that. Also I would want to see m2k marth vs mango fox to see if m2k can win.