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Can Marth become top tier again?

Dart!

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why the hell do you think he'd pay money to see dart win otherwise loool.


:cool:

He wouldn't even take a match of my Yoshi. The only reason he could take a match was because I suck vs Marth and I was really off at the time. Sorry but that's just how it is.
Not even mad but, if you really think this 50$ mm bo5 marth vs yoshi. If this is truth and not you just talking out of your ***.
 

Dart!

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Because...dart has placed well at nationals? And... I've only ever been to one national so I'd gladly take you up on that if I could? I mean, I'm easily good enough to make the statement I did, but I don't see why my skill matters in calling out someone who always *****es about the people he loses to or didn't get a chance to play. Dart has not only insulted every player he lost to, but then even some he didn't lose to; that is absolutely ridiculous and I don't see how you can respect that at all.

Beating lucky... yeah, the same lucky that lost to atma and kage? No offense to lucky, but that's not the same lucky that we normally consider impressive to beat. The lucky we consider impressive to beat is the one that sent amsah to losers at pound 4, not the one that gets 3 stocked by ganons.

Beating tang? I might be impressed if it was in a dance off, not so much for smash bros.

Hax vs. lucien in the crew battle is the only reason I watched the crew battle again, had to build the hype for the moment up again, couldn't just rewatch the match.
I was ok with you hating on me till i read this. Now i know you're just trolling. I could list you all of the people that beat me on a consistent basis, i have nothing but respect for them. if you knew anything about me you would know the only person i hate on is myself after a loss.
 

KirbyKaze

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Thing about playstyle is that isn't a playstyle largely developed through playing your main character for years? I mean, obviously after playing Ganon for years Kage isn't going to pick up Fox that easily. I wouldn't say Hax was "destined" to play Falcon or anything, he just played him a lot and if he had started out as playing a better character way way back yea I think his results would be better. I guess it depends how much consider playstyle something intrinsic and constant to the individual and how much you consider it a product of playing a certain character exclusively and interpreting the entire game through that character for years.
I think certain people are just naturally geared towards certain styles of play (as a result of a variety of internal / external factors). And not every character can be played effectively in every style.

So, yeah. I don't think Kage would ever make as good a Fox player as he is a Ganon player. Even if he started with Fox.

I don't want to infer that Ganon is the only character Kage could ever be good with because I'm sure his "crush them all, keep them out" style and mindset would be transferable to more characters. But I picked Fox specifically because Fox isn't very good at crushing people (IMHO) simply because he's frail, low range, etc. He really plays to get in, whereas Ganon is far more suited for keep-out.

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So, yeah. I think it's sort of constant the individual. You can change mindset and stuff like that, and it helps, but I really do feel some people are just better at certain things than other because they're wired that way. And those strengths help certain characters more than others.
 

leffen

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Not even mad but, if you really think this 50$ mm bo5 marth vs yoshi. If this is truth and not you just talking out of your ***.
100$. PAL version. Apex. Lets go.



and I dont know how you are as a person but you sure do not make yourself look good on the forums. If you cant see how then loool.
 

Wake

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Thank you Based Mimi.
The Peach boards were talking about the Marth/Peach MU a little while ago, and Armada threw in his 2 cents.

"I think it´s kinda close to even.

Marth has the advantage but it´s not a big advantage.
Between 55-45 - 60-40.

But yeah I guess 60-40 is a bit to big cause the MU is not bad.
The MU is hard to learn but ones you know it it becomes so much easier."

Marth/Peach is pretty close now I think, maybe slightly in Marth's favor (besides on YS, then it's hard for Peach I think).
 

Druggedfox

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I was ok with you hating on me till i read this. Now i know you're just trolling. I could list you all of the people that beat me on a consistent basis, i have nothing but respect for them. if you knew anything about me you would know the only person i hate on is myself after a loss.
I suppose I'll revise my statement. You've called the best falco player in japan a "noob falco" after he JV 3'd you if I'm not mistaken; if you didn't say exactly that, you said something very similar. You also insulted leffen, followed by bringing in s2j who was totally unrelated. Then you john about stacked pools and having a strong opponent first round due to having a bad seed. Having PP, fly, and tope in your pool was not something to complain about, considering PP's performance that day; PP was effectively a "tier 2" player at genesis 2 and should have been treated as such. Having hbox as a first round opponent is clearly undesirable, but considering your seed it hardly seems unreasonable.

Outside of that, the way you talk to people is often pretty arrogant, but totally not backed up by anything. Someone will say something about a matchup, and rather than support your argument, you'll either just say in a nutshell "You don't main marth, so your opinion is irrelevant" or "The players you play obviously don't know how to space or recover properly" or something else along those lines. There's nothing wrong with confidence when its supported, but you'll just throw away people's statements without ever backing it up.

Your effective contribution to this thread has been: johning/insulting, calling people trolls/noobs/irrelevant posters, and trash talking/MMing/other similar things. It's not a matter of some irrational hate, I just don't understand why the guy who makes the thread spends about 3 out of every 4 posts doing one of the aforementioned things, and only 1 post doing saying anything remotely relevant. I'm not making this up, you can just look back at your posts in this thread and see for yourself what they amount to.

I'm sorry if I've misunderstood you as a person, but all I know is what you show on the boards, which if your word is to be taken, is clearly at odds with your behavior in real life.

@Jackpot: I laughed pretty hard at that too >____> /feels lame
 

Roneblaster

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Glad people are coming to their senses. The boards mean nothing.

Well, leffen might be coming to his senses, but itll be after hes out $100

:phone:
 
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$10 extra on leffen.

I agree with DF leffen and KK.

You guys underrate this character like crazy.
 

Roneblaster

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Theres a reason top tier marth mains are down on their character and randoms talk about how good marth is.

Hint: its not because the marth mains are falcon mains.

:phone:
 

-ShadowPhoenix-

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this thread is sooooo depressing



if i was new on the boards and i saw this topic id probably not wanna main marth...
 

Druggedfox

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Yeah, we ruined the thread by trying to perhaps give an outlook on marth that the marth mains might have been missing. We're very sorry and we'll never try to help again >_>
 
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i think leffen would *** up dart dart fuking sucks dik

regarding hax, he is the current best falcon main. well-rounded, fast as hell and a rapist in some of falcon's worst matchups like shiek
 

crush

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Divinokage doesn't seem to understand that other than dart and reneblade there haven't been any trolls in this thread, making this the thread with the least amount of trolls in all of smashboards. Therefore, this is the best thread.

:phone:
 

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Yeah, we ruined the thread by trying to perhaps give an outlook on marth that the marth mains might have been missing. We're very sorry and we'll never try to help again >_>

Some of the worst things in the world have been done with the best intentions. Google Hitler and Eugenics......
 

Divinokage

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I don't know if Marth can be top tier.. I mean Dart can beat a Top 13 Sheik but can't even defeat a Top 17 Ganon. Does not compute. =P
 

Brookman

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Wow, spam_arrows. You have said some dirty **** but that is definitely the dirtiest **** I've ever read. Ever. . .

like, what the **** made you think that was a good parallel to draw??

Some of the worst things in the world have been done with the best intentions. Google Hitler and Eugenics......


quoted, for good measure.
 

Dart!

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i think leffen would *** up dart dart fuking sucks dik

regarding hax, he is the current best falcon main. well-rounded, fast as hell and a rapist in some of falcon's worst matchups like shiek
yeah he's right, i'm teh suxorz D:
 

Brookman

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This is obvious. why else would you make a thread about how a top-tier character isn't top-tier??
 
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