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Mauser, I will simply let JCaesar post the vidz and you can talk to him about those factors. I reiterate that JCaesar does not play nor practice Wolf. He only went to Wolf because his mains were ineffective and a marginal player (he has never placed before at a vBrawl tourney) made a run to 2nd place at a recent tourney using Wolf.
You believe Wolf is top 5, I don't, you posted your feedback, it's always good to hear differing opinions, it just shows how differently balanced this game can appear to most people. But it was one tournament, one match too, where Wolf was just picked up and won the match. I don't believe he's top 5, but if somehow Wolf starts winning tons more tourneys, of course something will be done. Your feedback is taken into consideration but I am allowed to defend why Wolf was given such changes, am I not?
I'm not talking down or dismissing anything, simply bringing up other points to consider about Wolf's character.
Not a tourney, just a match, ONE match and JC doesn't use Wolf at all. A Diddy Kong won the tourney.
Not yet he hasn't
. Guy still ultimately beat Wolf in the 3rd match to win the tournament with Diddy. Wolf came in 2nd.Two matches actually.
Link won a B+ tourney before, it was in an old build, but still. My point still stands. :V
Probably not. With the introduction of the throw mod, we might have to backtrack other characters and retweak them to include throws that work better for them and still have them balanced.
Link will just run to samus and smack the **** outta her then lol
Although I had a mild chuckle at the "valued consumer" comment, we do appreciate your feedback.
Brawl+ doesn't really care what tier a character was in vbrawl. Nor does it care what their playstyle was. Some characters have changed pretty drastically simply due to physics modifications, long before we ever started making specific character modifications. We're not going undo these physics changes just because it's changed characters' playstyles. Instead of rejecting change, brawl+ has chosen to embrace it. Brawl+'s goal is to make a faster, more competitive, and more balanced version of brawl. It's designed to reward making approaches and to facilitate combos, which will naturally change certain characters' playstyles. As brawl+ progressed with balancing the cast, changes have been made to moves that further alter character playstyles, that help to make them work better within the framework of brawl+. Usually, when significant changes are made to a character, that character's mains are consulted first about what the best way to go about changing said character would be. For instance, one of the most radical character changes in brawl+, completely changing the purpose of the move was falco's shine, where the driving force behind the change was actually the falco mains, themselves, who we worked with to figure out what would be the best trade for this change, as we realized giving him this buff without taking anything away in exchange would ultimately make him too good. Link was taken from a bottom tier character to a solid mid tier by reworking his moveset to actually... work. Yes, link changed a lot, but there was simply no way to subtly buff him without changing his established playstyle. This isn't a bad thing. The end result ended up melding quite well with the link mains, actually. Brawl+ is essentially a new game, so you can't just come expecting to play your old character exactly the same and expect to do well. I do assure you, though, that changes that have been done since the initial physics tweaks have all been meant to further balance the cast. Some characters have barely received any attention simply because they're already great where they are (see: dk). Other characters have received a considerable amount of attention because they simply lacked the ability to compete in their raw form (see: link or ganon).
You left out the part where he gets combo'd easily and is actually very slow on the ground. It's his attacks that make him "fast." As such, you won't see him punishing a foe that's a medium distance away with a grab like you would with fast characters, since there isn't enough time for it. Instead, he'll just fsmash, which is far from a combo move. His primary combo starter at low percents is bair, although after it starts to tumble them, it will only lead into techchases if the foe hasn't already been launched into the air by another one of your moves.
Uh huh... his only aerial that was sped up was his dair's endlag, which before was so large that he could barely recover upon using it offstage. Onstage, it still doesn't autocancel, so it's not anywhere near as big of a buff as you make it out to be.
What. Are you serious? You cannot be serious. We make changes to characters because we're trying to balance the game. If a character receives a lot of attention, it just might be because they need it. There's also the fact that quantity does not necessarily equal quality. One character could receive ten very tiny buffs that don't even add up to as much as what another character receives for only two or three buffs. The system we're using right now works, and arbitrarily changing it at this stage would ultimately be pointless and counterproductive.
Since this seems to mostly be you complaining about ryoko, I should probably let him handle this one. I haven't paid a lot of attention to zelda, but I know he discusses changes about other characters with others before making the changes, so I don't see why he wouldn't do the same with zelda. Although I'm sure he's made some changes without consulting others (ie. making fsmash and usmash actually connect properly, which shouldn't even be a question in anyone's mind on whether it should be done), I highly doubt what you're saying about him not consulting anyone before making major changes is true. But I'll let him speak for himself.
I don't think anybody is trying to talk down to you. It's just that you came in here and complained about the balance of the whole project based off of one set in one tourney that the Wolf player apparently didn't even win. The general perception is that Wolf is not even top ten...compare him to the likes of Marth, MK, Squirtle, Fox, Wario, ZSS, Falco, etc. He is fairly easy to pick up in my experience but is quite punishable.
Actually, it's not. It's held at an angel slightly to the side, where it wouldn't natually block, anyway. Also, it's fine the way it is now (just learn to dash cancel...at least you can do that in Brawl+, since dash canceling isn't possible in vBrawl). Even with just the shield while standing, it's something that they have that no one else has, already.
A LOT of things in smash aren't realistic........
The auto l canceling is in the frame speed mod.
11 is enter crouch. 18 is aerial landing lag.
Let's go through the line of all the Zelda changes in place that I was directly responsible for, while remembering that, with the exception of the changes that involved the proper linking of a single attack, every change went through my WBR colleagues for discussion and approval.
Duh. Thanks :D
