Q&A Ask about Pikachu! Hosted by Axe and N64! feat. dkuo!

[V3ctorMan]

axe pika vs mango falco happened..and man were they close... can't wait to see the vids again!

 

[toasty]

axe pika vs mango falco happened..and man were they close... can't wait to see the vids again!

OMMMG that's 100% the exact match that I HOPED would happen! Yesssss!!!!

 

[LAX_]

@N64
thanks for addressing my question. i'll focus on those. i guess tourney experience is especially important for pika.
@toasty
double pikachu would be friggin' epic haha. i know i would love to see that in action (though ness is legit too haha).
EDIT: btw your sig is awesome haha.
@V3ctorMan
i think they were on the livestream and i justttttt missed it to get my pizza. STUPID PIZZA.
@InsaneCG
pichu is cool haha. but he's probably my 2nd worst character (PEACH wins no doubt). no idea why.
@discussion
i'm learning a lot about CPs now haha. thanks.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I can't play as pikachu to save my life I don't even try to play as pikachu I might play as him in a few years. pichu focuses more around grabs if you ask me that's why more ice climbers play as pichu than pikachu.

 

[AXE 09]

WOW mango's really hard lol. but it was fun as heck!!! XD and it was all recorded lol

in the winner's bracket, it went to the 3rd match last stock, but mango went mango mode and defeated me lol. and apparently he stayed in mango mode even when we did crews, he ended up 3 stocking me in crews *cries*

but shoot, pat's house was so fun ahhh!!!

Festizzio, i <3 you man!! it sucked that we had to be in the same pool ='( but we still made our pika dittos epic ^^

@ICG: i think Nair is very good for combos, and Battlefield is actually my most favorite stage =D

oh, and i actually played against a pretty good Pichu player up in Cali, he went by Lanstar. he's pretty solid, no joke. he gave me quite a bit of trouble.

i really hope vids for pat's house will be up soon =) i have a feeling that you guys might like my performance lol (except when i got 3 stocked by mango in crews, that sucked, omg. mango's too good)

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

people told me I was wrond and pichu can't combo any better than kirby by saying nair isn't good for combos and pichu had a lot of bad stages like battlefeild is one of the worse for pichu. keep in mind all of pichu's and pikachu's air moves(other than upair) are the same but pikachu's a bit more range and pichu's faster. so pichu's nair is less lagy than pikachu's meaning...

Thanks axe when your right sometimes you need to be told. But what did the pichu do? any up-B tricks or what? I hate fighting pikachu's as pichu but maybe that's because they sucked.

 

[festizzio]

Axe we are going to play ALL THE TIME during winter break

you have to teach me some of that quick attack stuff you do :D

 

[toasty]

you just gotta get that M2K angle, son!

I looooove upB trixies ^_^

*wishes he could practice but probably can't even touch a controller til he gets to ROM ;___;*

 

[LAX_]

that's not good toasty lol you gotta practice that pika for epic double chus hahaha.
why can't you though?

 

[elvenarrow3000]

It's like training in the mountains. Once he learns to play WITHOUT a controller, when he gets a controller, it'll be pie.

 

[toasty]

that's not good toasty lol you gotta practice that pika for epic double chus hahaha.
why can't you though?

hahah yeahhh I know! ><!

Well, as a business owner most of my time is preoccupied...I only occasionally get to go into the office and check the boards when things are slow. But right now, my parents are in town until Friday which is when I leave for ROM.

Playing Smash while they're visiting from Virginia would be pretty "not legit" of me ;__;

 

[Rappster]

y'all remember how Kyo and XIII ways to die promised us a video "in a month"? that was 9-24-09. i haven't been looking, but has anything come of that?

 

[LAX_]

hahah yeahhh I know! ><!

Well, as a business owner most of my time is preoccupied...I only occasionally get to go into the office and check the boards when things are slow. But right now, my parents are in town until Friday which is when I leave for ROM.

Playing Smash while they're visiting from Virginia would be pretty "not legit" of me ;__;

yeah i can see how that would be pretty rude haha.
*parents enter doorway and come to hug you*
MOM MOVE YOUR RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TV!

 

[toasty]

Haha yeahh and it's not just that, they'd be pretty upset if their 25 year old businessman of a son was still playing Smash >_>

This is also related to why I can't stay for the entirety of Day 2 of ROM

My sister lives in New York City so I'm staying with her Friday night but then Saturday/Sunday I'll be in Nanuet, NY for the tournament [kinda far from the city] and the train going to there is actually the New Jersey Transit which isn't 24 hours like the NY Metro, so once again...going all the way to NY and spending 2 out of my 3 nights in NY at a tournament instead of hanging out with my sister whom I only get to see 2 or 3 times a year = not legit

>_<

oh well, still going to be an epiccccc weekend!!! gahhhh

 

[tdk_Samurai]

question: I've noticed that a some pikas, (particularly one that spaceballs ate one time) like to ftilt to edgeguard spacies up b. And then sometimes they will fsmash. I assume the f smash is used for when you think it will kill, am I wrong or right about that? And what are the differences between the hitboxes and frames and stuff, and if ftilt is bigger hitbox/comes out earlier and longer, whats to say we don't keep ftilting forever?

 

[LAX_]

@toasty
true lol.
aww i was hoping to see a lot of double pika friendlies recorded. oh well =/. lucky your going though haha.

@tdk
fsmash is 49 total frames, and it hits from 16 to 23.
ftilt is 29 total frames, and it hits from 5 to 14.

i saw a video where axe ftilt-ed a falco 5 or 6 times in a row, and then he eventually falls off the ledge and does a uair tail spike to kill the falco. so if the spacie doesn't sweetspot their up-b, then you can ftilt them forever. i am 100% positive of this. i am fairly certain that fsmash does not reach as low as an angled ftilt does. so if a fox is recovering and barely goes above the stage, the fsmash will not hit, but the angled ftilt will. this is why i normally ftilt when edgeguarding spacies at high percentages. at low percentages i tend to use fsmash because if i ftilt them now, they gain more options to recover since ftilt doesn't do much knockback at low percentages.

Also it is a lot easier to time the ftilt since you ftilt when they really close to hitting you. for fsmash you have to time it earlier since it has some big starting lag (but after practicing it shouldn't be hard so yeah).

so in essence (or is it "in a sense"? ahhh) if you can measure that the fox/falco will not sweetspot and will overshoot their up-b (by a decent margin), then you can safely fsmash. if you aren't sure you probably should just ftilt. and if they do end up sweetspotting it, since ftilt is much shorter of an attack than fsmash, you won't be punished....i think

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Hey F-smash on green greens is broken it tilts downs so it's impossible to sweetspot the stage. Plus unlike pichu's F-smash that is fairly flexible on syages and always makes it better pikachu's doesn't always bent in a helpful way like on Corn it work be really cool if it bent a little downwards on the left side but it doesn't giving them more space to sweetspot.

F-tilt is faster and more flexible for pikachu

 

[toasty]

depends on their damage, really

also depends on if they're in a position to tech the fsmash or not.

ftilt is quicker/safer but not guaranteed***

fsmash is stronger but techable and slower but it's also more guaranteed to get the result you want

there are so many good things I could list about ftilt ^_^...but it really doesn't always get you the KO, sadly. It SHOULD [just like a dtilt as Marth against a recovering spacie SHOULD = a stock (through edgeguarding opportunities), but that's not always the case]

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Ftilt is also easier to follow up on if it doesn't kill them, 'cause it has less wind down lag, maybe.

 

[N64]

ftilt is easier with the timing. It seems to hang out there forever. As such, it covers a lot of options. If the fox goes straight towards the edge, he'll get there sooner than if he takes a shallower angle and hugs the wall. Ftilt stays out long enough to almost always cover all options (assuming fox is trying to grab the edge). Fsmash doesn't stay out quite as long.

Another big thing is angled ftilt hits sweetspotting fox/falcos, as long as they're close enough to the stage. It actually hits slightly below the ledge, so they can't sweetspot it unless they space themselves far enough away from the edge with the upB (usually you want to ftilt from a distance, as otherwise the hitbox of firefox will trade with your ftilt, and you'll get hit up while they're likely recovering from the next firefox). Fsmash does not hit sweetspotters, except on like water form of stadium, but that's because the stage is silly.

You also have less lag after ftilt, so you can do stuff like in the given example where axe ftilt->run off uair spike.

It also seems more difficult (sometimes impossible?) to tech. I have had very few ftilts teched, but it seems every other fsmash edgeguard i do gets teched.

 

[TresChikon]

As long as you wallhug, the f-tilt is just as techable.

You just don't get as much time to smash into the stage if you get f-tilted, so usually it fails when you're coming in any other angle.

 

[festizzio]

Well you can't tech it if you're at lower percents (like if you're getting gimped :3)

It's like a stronger version of mario's cape in that you can't tech it until later percentages.

 

[TresChikon]

At really low percents you can just airdodge if you're that clutch.

 

[festizzio]

The Pikachu has enough time to bthrow after the whiffed ftilt and you can't do anything about it :D

 

[TresChikon]

Shucks, Pikachu is just too good then.

 

[festizzio]

Shucks, Pikachu is just too good then.

I detect sarcasm.

 

[TresChikon]

Nope, I always try my hardest to avoid Pika's tailspike, and I do avoid it, but I die from stuff like f-tilt and b-throw trying to avoid it.

An irrational fear maybe? I dunno, f-tilt and b-throws are frustrating, but at least I have hope that he might mess up.

 

[festizzio]

lol

It's like, either you lose your stock, or you take 50% and THEN lose your stock :D

 

[AXE 09]

whenever a fox/falco's trying to recover, i usually go for an angled forward tilt rather than a forward smash. as stated before, at low percents, the ftilt isn't able to be teched, and it puts them in perfect position for an easy gimp (i personally either fall off the stage and tailspike or fall off and dair, usually tailspike falco's, and dair fox's)

if i ever fsmash, it's usually only if i'm like 100% sure that they're not going to sweetspot and if they're at a high enough damage where i'm confident that it will kill them (for instance, if a fox is on battlefield, and the only angle he can do is strait up, and he will pass the edge). if they are at a lower percent, i still Ftilt since an fsmash would put them in a position where they have more opportunities than just 1 angle.

i'm just gonna say that about 95% of the time, i use Ftilt instead of Fsmash. Ftilt doesn't kill, but it puts them at a perfect position for an easy gimp


Festizzio: you're amazing lol

 

[TresChikon]

So I'd imagine a jab would be best after f-tilt becomes techable since it still keeps their options limited. Against spacies at least.

 

[festizzio]

What do you do if they do a short phantasm above the stage, but to where they just barely grab the edge? Ftilt always seems to whiff in these situations. I was thinking maybe dtilt if you read the short phanta, but then if they decide to do a regular one you get hit with it

Axe you ready for winter break? holy crap I am gonna start training so hard, also I have a rivalry of sorts with Raistlin, wherein I've beaten him in a $1 mm and a serious friendly set, so we're doing a $10 mm at Pound 4 if I go :D I know whoever wins will never let the other live it down

 

[TresChikon]

Wouldn't f-smash cover both options? The length and duration should easily hit both options.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Doesn't seem like jab would be as good, because you don't have that many options when they're straight under you.

I could be wrong.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

has anyone tryed F-smash on the edge of green greens it's broken as H*** not even joking

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You mean Yoshi's Story?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

What? No I,m not even joking take pichu or pikachu walk to the edge of the edge of green greens the hitbox go like this / Maybe it does that on yoshi's but not like on green greens

 

[AXE 09]

normally, a jab isn't the best option because it'll just trade hits half the time, and you need to be very percise to aim it. a lot of times even when i hit them with it, right after they get hit, they grab the edge instead of fall, and i'm like wtf lol. but it's hilarious when you hit someone with a jab and they either airdodge or fastfall too low to recover. good stuff. i jab sometimes in friendlies as an edgeguard just for lulz

i've never tried the Fsmash on green greens, i'll give that a shot lol

festizzio, we better play a lot this winter!!! pika training! heck yeah

also, if a fox/falco does a shortened illusion directly in front of you, i still ftilt. the moment i hear the noise that they're gonna forward B, i do an Ftilt, rarely an Fsmash because the startup lag is too much. i normally stand so close to the edge that i'm almost falling off, then i Ftilt, so even when they shorten it, they still can't grab the edge. if they decide to go lower and do their up-b, i either wavedash back or just walk backwards a step, then Ftilt so it won't trade. it's very situational

 

[festizzio]

I time it like you said and it still misses =\ are you talking about standing right on the edge though? like, to where you're teetering?

 

[AXE 09]

to where i'm ALMOST teetering. i don't wanna stand THAT close cuz sometimes instead of the Ftilt, i'll accidently fall off and Fair, but pretty much as close as i can get without actually teetering.

oh, and a single jab edgeguard is actually ok against falcon or ganon, unless they know it's coming and just keep spamming up B, then you'll get Falcon Yes!'d

 

[elvenarrow3000]

...Falcon Yes!'d

Wow, Falcon punctuation explosion