lol, pika IS my marth counter, all my other chars get ****ed up by marth, but my pika is like bingo bango *****. but um, falcon teaches you how to play in general, shiek is a good marth counter, but I would recomend fox or falcon
Luigi is my Marth counter. He can't space ANYTHING when I'm all over the stage in a second!
I would recomend Fox and Falcon as well, but also Samus. There is nothing that teaches you patience, defensive game and how to pick apart approaches like a match or two as Samus.
even if i add new things to my game, i feel like that won't improve my actual skill, or the results of a match =( even when i try new things on forward, it seems like i just get the same results. i just don't wanna feel stuck anymore =(
You're probably going about this the wrong way...
Adding new things helps, sure, but taking things out can be just as helpful. Whether it's for specific situations, match ups, or just in general, empty SHs or whatever.
This game is flexible.
Also, when people stop improving, it's usually the stupidest little things that make the difference in a match, and these are the things that hold them back.
Just today I showed an up-coming Shiek main several videos of M2K and Amsah, guess what they both did in common within the matches I showed? (This happened to BOTH of these amazing players)
1. A situation came up where they waited empty in a jump outside of the opponents shield and their opponent reacted badly by jumping. They punished the reaction with an aerial, reading it properly.
2. The same situation came up a 2nd time in a different set, they waited for the reaction and it didn't happen, both of them used the late aerial and got punished for it being poorly spaced after misreading.
3. Neither of them did an empty jump simply to turn around and grab or something else when it came up ever again after that. It came up roughly 4 more times each with #1 but mainly #2 results. Even the best players in the world do too much sometimes, knowing it's worked SO many times, who's to blame them? Yet it would be better removed more often than would be expected. Neither of them get punished for much else aside from these silly things.
Keeping with something that can be altered slightly, even removed entirely, leaves you open to SO MUCH more.
Like WDing OOS, you don't punish anything, even do anything. It's amazing how every time anyone does it, whether it's an ok player or Mango, people will freak out and do things in front of you for you to punish later, just by sitting there empty waiting for them to do something expecting you to do something (because everyone always does something there [get it?]). You're safe when you don't do anything at all.
People need to do nothing more. Just my thoughts.
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Pika's ftilt will stop it if luigi wavedashes into it before dsmashing
As far as approaching luigi, i don't see many safe options. Your best bets are probably shffl'd nairs basically just trying to make sure he can't move very well to intercept/dodge and punish.
Also the momentum in this match is so hard to keep.
Nair->utilt? WHY NOT? Try it out, maybe you'll figure out some stuff.
I think the main thing is an emphasis on redeveloping your pika game.
Does Pika's ftilt cancel out with Luigi's ftilt? Or what happens when they hit at the same time?
Approaching Luigi is actually pretty silly. He can get away and get to you REALLY freakin fast! I think Luigi may be the only character that can actually approach Falcon more than Falcon approaches Luigi and Falcon doesn't mind because that's just the way Luigi is. He's really messed up. :\
But yes, Nairing and generally LARGE AREA attacks and maneuvers can shut down lots. Just like the way Fox spams nair etc. Slow the craziness down.
The momentum doesn't exist unless it's mid combo or edgeguarding. And Luigi has a decent combo breaker+starter. XD
Yeah, I finally watched the AXE effect combo vid. The best parts were the Uair>Nair in one jump, you both land (no knock back because low %) then turning around and grabbing/ftilting/usmashing or whatever when they land and shield/dash/etc.
So sexy.
Overdeveloping the pika game *cough*
It's not needed, seriously. :\