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[Vorguen]

Wow I just saw the video on Bucket Breaking... Another reason to hate G&W as ROB lol.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Wow I just saw the video on Bucket Breaking... Another reason to hate G&W as ROB lol.

bucket breaking isn't that good, the video makes it look so much better then it is. Think about it. No tourney stage's ceiling is low enough for it to work vertically, and horizontally isn't only at somewhat lower percentages from across the stage.

I find it works well on ICs, then you can tell how you're gunna die. Otherwise, its very situational

 

[gameandwatchmewin]

what are GaW's longest air moves and ground moves. If you know enough to put the top three in order, then i think that would help everyone.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Umm...

dair - 49 frames
fair- 44
uair/bair - 39


i wish G&W had fast moves

ground moves = smashes?

fsmash - 42
u-smash- 38
d-smash- 33

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=189251


btw, cool name, i like it

 

[Mr. Escalator]

I'm going to assume you didn't want frame data, and instead wanted their range. I'm also going to assume you want to know their horizontal range and not their vertical range x)
Grounded:
1: Chef
2: Oil Panic
3: Manhole

Aerial:
1: Chef
2: Oil Panic
3: Turtle

Lol, ain't I a stinker?

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

i wouldn't count specials, at least not G&W's stupid useless ones

 

[Ruuku]

i wouldn't count specials, at least not G&W's stupid useless ones

G&W has no such thing.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

G&W has no such thing.

lol you're right, judgements so practical

 

[Ruuku]

lol you're right, judgements so practical

It still isn't useless though.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

It still isn't useless though.

when your playing competitively, unpractical = useless

 

[Neb]

JKBUK, lol, who's side are you on?

 

[DMG]

JKBUK, lol, who's side are you on?

The bored side. :0

Lol I wish I had some questions about G&W, but I really don't except asking for opinions on his matchups.

 

[_Phloat_]

when your playing competitively, unpractical = useless

Unless you do it for the smash babes brah.

 

[Ruuku]

Unless you do it for the smash babes brah.

Touchdown.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

Unless you do it for the smash babes brah.

touche, lol

god were bored here

and not just kinda bored

 

[Neb]

I think we need one of these ------> Click.

 

[Corrupted]

I never use u-tilt, f-tilt, u-air, b, side-b, jab, f-smash. Which ones should I add to my game, and how.

 

[DMG]

I never use u-tilt, f-tilt, u-air, b, side-b, jab, f-smash. Which ones should I add to my game, and how.

Utilt to juggle occasionally.

Uair to Juggle/refresh moves/mess people up.

Jab because I said so.

Fsmash because dear lord it kills very good lol.

 

[Cubone]

What is keeping G&W below DDD on the tier list? We have like 3 bad matchups compared to DDD's 10 or so yet both lists have us below him. DDD seems more used in tourneys but with this newest list that doesn't seem to be a very prominent factor based on the positions of other characters. Bucket Braking even helps with our biggest weakness and we still fall short of DDD somehow.

I don't want to get involved in the tier discussion until I hear some feedback from other G&W mains.

 

[Neb]

What is keeping G&W below DDD on the tier list?

Tournament placings.
T'has to be, considering his match-up rankings aren't too hot.

 

[Gates]

And here I was happy nobody had baww'd over the new tier list yet.

I'm pretty surprised G&W hasn't moved above Dedede. I thought that Bucket Braking would have been the AT to puch him above Dedede but I guess tournament placings+Chaingrab on half the cast trumps that still.

Honestly, who cares though. Game & Watch is good and everybody knows that. It doesn't change anything by putting him higher or lower on the tier list. His matchups are the same, his gameplan is the same, his ATs are the same...NOTHING changes.

 

[Cubone]

Yea, I'm not trying to cause any ruckus about it just curious. The position isn't going to change the character any except for the people who don't play them, and even then it won't make much difference unless its a new match up for them and the rank would make them nervous.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

What is keeping G&W below DDD on the tier list? We have like 3 bad matchups compared to DDD's 10 or so yet both lists have us below him. DDD seems more used in tourneys but with this newest list that doesn't seem to be a very prominent factor based on the positions of other characters. Bucket Braking even helps with our biggest weakness and we still fall short of DDD somehow.

I don't want to get involved in the tier discussion until I hear some feedback from other G&W mains.

Fact: G&W can't punish any good character. Thats why he's bad against Marth, and IMO average against Falco. G&W does not have any exceptionally fast moves.

Fact: G&W is garbage against snake. Why marth and snake is 40/60, and snake so much harder to face, i'll never understand the reasoning, but its a fact.

Fact: Other top tiers are MK, where noone has an advantage, and D3.

So really, we're good against D3s.

G&W ***** lower tiers, theres no denying that. But that doesn't really matter when you're at the top.

D3 and Falco just do better.

And here I was happy nobody had baww'd over the new tier list yet.

I'm pretty surprised G&W hasn't moved above Dedede. I thought that Bucket Braking would have been the AT to puch him above Dedede but I guess tournament placings+Chaingrab on half the cast trumps that still.

Honestly, who cares though. Game & Watch is good and everybody knows that. It doesn't change anything by putting him higher or lower on the tier list. His matchups are the same, his gameplan is the same, his ATs are the same...NOTHING changes.

Bucket braking isn't quite known yet, as G&W's aren't placing as of late. But give it time, if anything will put G&W above D3 its that.

 

[Tero.]

GaW mains didn't place that good in the last months, actually i think GaW could be above DDD and Falco, but not at the moment.

(and wtf GW only average against falco ?)

But anyway like Gates said: This won't change anything, everything is still the same.

 

[pockyD]

the actual ranking doesn't change anything

but knowing the reasoning behind the ranking is definitely useful discussion

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

(and wtf GW only average against falco ?)

anyone who gets a free amount of damage on the 2nd lightest character can't seriously be at a huge disadvantage.

add that to falco being fast, and G&W who can't punish = average. I'd say 55/45, in G&W favor, but really not that much less

 

[Cubone]

anyone who gets a free amount of damage on the 2nd lightest character can't seriously be at a huge disadvantage.

add that to falco being fast, and G&W who can't punish = average. I'd say 55/45, in G&W favor, but really not that much less

I agree with ya on the falco match-up, there is definitely no huge advantage on the G&W side of it.

Just out of curiousity, what all outpriotorizes or clanks with G&W's upsmash (anyone, not just falco)?

 

[Neb]

For a fact, DK's giant punch (fully charged).

 

[Chileno4Live]

I got a question. GAW is my secondary character besides Fox and Marth. So i want to know how you play with Mr GAW. I'll try to describe how i play since i can't record. Well i can but it's really sucky quality so you guys won't even see what i am doing

Ok, so i am trying to use Bair alot, but not to much since it gets predictable and i don't want to spam it badly. I use them the most in Shorthops. I sometimes use SHFair But not to much since it has landing lag. Nair and Bair are my usual approaches. I use the Dair alot when i'm in the air. I think i play as most GAW's. I've watched some videos of Hylian and all and i play similar to him in a inferior way. Is there anything i have to add in my GAW gameplay?

 

[CELTiiC]

anyone who gets a free amount of damage on the 2nd lightest character can't seriously be at a huge disadvantage.

add that to falco being fast, and G&W who can't punish = average. I'd say 55/45, in G&W favor, but really not that much less

What about gimping? Gimping surely helps out Game and Watch in this match-up.

 

[Cubone]

I got a question. GAW is my secondary character besides Fox and Marth. So i want to know how you play with Mr GAW. I'll try to describe how i play since i can't record. Well i can but it's really sucky quality so you guys won't even see what i am doing

Ok, so i am trying to use Bair alot, but not to much since it gets predictable and i don't want to spam it badly. I use them the most in Shorthops. I sometimes use SHFair But not to much since it has landing lag. Nair and Bair are my usual approaches. I use the Dair alot when i'm in the air. I think i play as most GAW's. I've watched some videos of Hylian and all and i play similar to him in a inferior way. Is there anything i have to add in my GAW gameplay?

Dtilt, Dthrow techchases, and Uair

 

[AzNfinesse]

I got a question. GAW is my secondary character besides Fox and Marth. So i want to know how you play with Mr GAW. I'll try to describe how i play since i can't record. Well i can but it's really sucky quality so you guys won't even see what i am doing

Ok, so i am trying to use Bair alot, but not to much since it gets predictable and i don't want to spam it badly. I use them the most in Shorthops. I sometimes use SHFair But not to much since it has landing lag. Nair and Bair are my usual approaches. I use the Dair alot when i'm in the air. I think i play as most GAW's. I've watched some videos of Hylian and all and i play similar to him in a inferior way. Is there anything i have to add in my GAW gameplay?

didn't mention anything about grabbing or edgeguarding, so grab and dthrow, and be sure you learn which moves work best in each characters situation (not all characters can be dthrowed and dsmashed). GnW also has a bretty strong edge game, so practice that as well.

 

[Gates]

ignore this.

 

[pockyD]

Just out of curiousity, what all outpriotorizes or clanks with G&W's upsmash (anyone, not just falco)?

metaknight's glide attack clanks! dumbest thing ever

 

[Cubone]

Gates, its around the middle of his comment "Nair and Bair are my usual approaches"

Gah, how does glide attack end up clanking @.@ I'm just trying to see just how much priority usmash has.

 

[Gates]

Gates, its around the middle of his comment "Nair and Bair are my usual approaches"

WHOOPS. My bad lol, I only saw bair.

 

[JustKindaBoredUKno]

What about gimping? Gimping surely helps out Game and Watch in this match-up.

gimping helps out G&W on all matches. Sure Falco is predictable, but a good falco isn't going to just let that fair nail him in the air. A good falco will space his recovery.
This is why the match up isn't completely neutral tho. theres no denying it, G&W is amazing at punishing predictable recovs

 

[gameandwatchmewin]

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I'm going to assume you didn't want frame data, and instead wanted their range. I'm also going to assume you want to know their horizontal range and not their vertical range x)
Grounded:
1: Chef
2: Oil Panic
3: Manhole

Aerial:
1: Chef
2: Oil Panic
3: Turtle

Lol, ain't I a stinker?
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indeed, you are a stinker. Thank you very much. good assumptions

and Mr. Justkindaboredukno thanks for liking my name.

 

[gameandwatchmewin]

Mario is low tier and he's kicken ***. I haven't looked at the new one yet.
anyways

this goes out to the veterans. My compatition name( the name i'm trying to get famous) is Publix or Publx should i change my smashboards name to that. nm dumb question. i'm gunna. (Publix is a southern grocery store known for its customer service, like piggly wiggly's, but with a name that says "i'm not and never will be coming out of a closet".

P.s. i bet i own this page now.

 

[Hylian]

No, I own this page. Don't double post and stop spamming.


Thanks.