erick gm14
Smash Ace
o **** that sounds tough >_<.. no wonder he Suicides from that every now and then.. is it a worthwhile technique?
@bleachigo- ill see if i can find it again.. ill pm u it.
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@bleachigo- ill see if i can find it again.. ill pm u it.
AvoiD
Smash Lord
erick, here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBulOwIs7g
Video on it, and how to do it.
Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBulOwIs7g
Video on it, and how to do it.
Enjoy.
goodkid
Smash Lord
Ok, I'm thinking of picking up Falco again. I only played him @ the beginning of Brawl and I never learned any of his special techniques.
3$ questions:
*What are the basics of Falco?
*What does it take to excel with Falco @ high-level play?
*What techniques are useful and beneficial to practice?
3$ questions:
*What are the basics of Falco?
*What does it take to excel with Falco @ high-level play?
*What techniques are useful and beneficial to practice?
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Read up Enochouts guide Din Peregine, that is an amazing place to start.
Juber
Smash Cadet
Quick question...Does tilting your shield up or down have any impact on anything? Just curious cuz i joke around and move my shield in circles sometimes.
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
@ Juber: tilting your shield covers more of your body in the direction you tilt it. For example, if a MK is tornadoing your head, tilting your shield up should block all of it (unless your shield is small when he starts his attack).
@ Lotopius: You can only do a retreating SHL I believe. You have to b-reverse or pivot to do a SHDL behind you.
A couple of questions:
I noticed that there is a considerable delay between G&W's 5th and last hit of his bair, what are Falco's options during that delay? I know sidestepping works, how about bair/nair oos? roll? FH FF dair?
Also, how do I properly do a buffered walking/running CG? I do a walking CG by pushing the control stick left/right immediately after the d-throw, is that the same as a walking buffered CG?
@ Lotopius: You can only do a retreating SHL I believe. You have to b-reverse or pivot to do a SHDL behind you.
A couple of questions:
I noticed that there is a considerable delay between G&W's 5th and last hit of his bair, what are Falco's options during that delay? I know sidestepping works, how about bair/nair oos? roll? FH FF dair?
Also, how do I properly do a buffered walking/running CG? I do a walking CG by pushing the control stick left/right immediately after the d-throw, is that the same as a walking buffered CG?
@Lotopius: You can do a retreating SHDL by pivoting and jumping or by doing reverse lasers.
@Yume: I usually shield the whole thing or roll away and start from scratch. There isn't much you can do if G&W is being a pain with Bairs.
To buffer you CG you input your dash/walk during the ending animation of your dthrow, then buffer your grab.
@Yume: I usually shield the whole thing or roll away and start from scratch. There isn't much you can do if G&W is being a pain with Bairs.
To buffer you CG you input your dash/walk during the ending animation of your dthrow, then buffer your grab.
Juber
Smash Cadet
Ok, ive been practicing the short illusion, or the fake phantasm, w/e its called and I cant do it 100% of the time. Is there any trick, any advice? I almost came in my pants when i saw DEHF use it and then went strait into an upsmash and killed metaknight, so i am on a mission to put it in my playstyle.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Out-of-shield Upsmash!!
Yumewomiteru
Smash Master
hmm, I feel like a very well spaced bair would not be hit by a oos upsmash as he only hits you with the tip of the turtle, but I should try that out to see if it actually works.
J4pu
Smash Champion
ive never used it, but then again I'm not all that great
When i talked to sethlon way back in december before he quit falco he said he uses the "wavebounce" lasers
Gmoney_
Smash Journeyman
I use the wavebounce laser every match a few time lol. its pretty usefull I think. About the double/reverse??? (what's its name xD) laser, I do it like this:
Run right
tap left
Short hop
B
tap right
Kina like doing a RAR, but use the B button.
Run right
tap left
Short hop
B
tap right
Kina like doing a RAR, but use the B button.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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Even with wavebounced and b-reversals, I say there really isn't much point to it the momentum changing special attacks at all apart from flashyness.
Reversed laser are much better IMO as it can allow you some combos in the air (if an attack gets the opponent behind you or something you can turn and laser them to the ground), and tight manuveruring such as if you want to SHDL/SHL, but are constitanly getting chased down and have little time to waste in the whole "pivot" animation. Plus, some of the ledge stuff can only be done because of reversed lasers.
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Reversed laser are much better IMO as it can allow you some combos in the air (if an attack gets the opponent behind you or something you can turn and laser them to the ground), and tight manuveruring such as if you want to SHDL/SHL, but are constitanly getting chased down and have little time to waste in the whole "pivot" animation. Plus, some of the ledge stuff can only be done because of reversed lasers.
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Juber
Smash Cadet
I might just be having a brain fart, but buffering means inputting the command right before you do the action riiiight? And if so, does falcos chaingrab spike have to have the buffered d-air at the end? I was in training with DDD and the computer kept airdodging my spike...was I just not buffering it? I hope im not just n00by. =/
AvoiD
Smash Lord
Juber, thats what buffering is, but you don't need to Buffer the D-air.
Make sure your not trying it on a Lvl 9 CPU lol. There computer nerds in disguise who were meant to dodge everything, and read your inputs as quick as posible.
Try it out on Lvl 7-8 CPUs and see what happens.
Make sure your not trying it on a Lvl 9 CPU lol. There computer nerds in disguise who were meant to dodge everything, and read your inputs as quick as posible.
Try it out on Lvl 7-8 CPUs and see what happens.
Juber
Smash Cadet
Ah thanks Kuro for assuring me that im not n00b. I wish I could post some vids of me kicking @$$...how much do those video recording cables cost? Are they just cables or do you have to do alot of other stuff?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
buffer it while you shoot dthrow's lasers.
@Juber: What percent was the DDD at when you tried to spike him? I know CG works on him till around 50% and a spike is guaranteed if done correctly. It's probably because of the stupid level 9s, who have insane reaction and perfect shield all your moves.
The way to set up recording is to have a capture card which connects to your TV's AV cables and into your computer USB port. It then broadcasts whatever's on your TV onto your computer where you can record if with the video program given to you with the capture card. They usually sell for around $55.00 for standard definition ones at retail stores.
The way to set up recording is to have a capture card which connects to your TV's AV cables and into your computer USB port. It then broadcasts whatever's on your TV onto your computer where you can record if with the video program given to you with the capture card. They usually sell for around $55.00 for standard definition ones at retail stores.
Juber
Smash Cadet
Ah yeah, the DDD was at like 56% or more...it makes sense that it could airdodge away because of the pushback the Dthrow has after you have gotten out of chaingrab range. But another thing, i was trying that insane combo on DDD with the full hop d-air to the laser lock, and i never connect with the full hop d-air, it always makes the spark. Should I even practice that? Does anybody else practice that? I was doin it so I could always own a DDD whenever i needed to ;D
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Try looking at percentages more closely, I think it's at 36% that it works.
I wouldn't bother trying to learn laser locks. You have to be very specific to percentages and it sometimes doesn't work if you are off in percentages. I think the laser lock on DDD is overkill. We have a 7-3 matchup in our favor on him. Just CG to around 50%, spike into groud (now at 60%) and follow up with another move (if it hits, he'll be at 70+%). Lasers are a huge pain for DDD, he's a giant hitbox waiting to be abused.
Guilhe
Smash Ace
Which methods would Falco use to gimp Ike?
Denzi
Smash Master
Standard CG -> Spike works wonders, Laser his second jump, purposely jump out in front of his side B so he can't go far enough to get to the ledge. There's other stuff too, just play around with things for a bit.
Like Denzi said, CG to spike is the easiest way to gimp Ike. Just try to time the ledge grab at the right time.
J4pu
Smash Champion
there was this one time i was playing a somewhat nooby ike in tourney and he kept using his UpB so that he would go above the edge of the stage, and reflector has perfect range to hit them back and force them to UpB again, and then you can reflector them again until they realize to use UpB lower. you have to space it pretty well though to avoid getting hit, i got in about 8 consecutive hits like this, it was funny.
an epic pro method that I did on accident once:
run towards edge,
perfect shield aether when you get right to the edge of the stage,
>somehow edgehog through the aether hitbox
iono how it happened but it was sick
also CG > spike on left side of JJapes is instant death to Ike
an epic pro method that I did on accident once:
run towards edge,
perfect shield aether when you get right to the edge of the stage,
>somehow edgehog through the aether hitbox
iono how it happened but it was sick
also CG > spike on left side of JJapes is instant death to Ike
Denzi
Smash Master
I've done that one before.
It confused me too.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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What attacks of Falco's will produce a forced get up?
As far as I have tested only Ftilt is the only other move apart from the laser that I have seen that will cause this. Problem I see with this is it has to be done below ~50%. No way to ever be really practical.
As far as I have tested only Ftilt is the only other move apart from the laser that I have seen that will cause this. Problem I see with this is it has to be done below ~50%. No way to ever be really practical.
J4pu
Smash Champion
forced get-up=lock properties, so yea, it's only laser and low% ftilt.
maybe random things like weakspot bair and weakspot Uair, but these are unlikely to ever be useful
maybe random things like weakspot bair and weakspot Uair, but these are unlikely to ever be useful
Emperor Time
Smash Lord
So I was playing the other day and I wondered "What if I could L-cancel?"
I set L to attack in my control scheme.
So, as soon as I landed, I did foward L and did Ftilt, but it seemed faster than normal.
This could just be me being VERY pressed to discover something. Could anyone else try this out?
And I know that L canceling is tapping L before the dust to cut the ending lag. >.>
I set L to attack in my control scheme.
So, as soon as I landed, I did foward L and did Ftilt, but it seemed faster than normal.
This could just be me being VERY pressed to discover something. Could anyone else try this out?
And I know that L canceling is tapping L before the dust to cut the ending lag. >.>
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
LOL!!! That could be the NOOB Topic of the week!!!
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
How soon can you UpB out of footstools? Soon enough to escape certain footstool "locks"? I noticed people only tesed for DI plus fastest aerial when trying to get out of Pikas. Pretty funny if UpB ends up being the savior to all footstool combos.
J4pu
Smash Champion
there is no known case (yet) where a special move can be done out of a vulnerable state sooner than an aerial/air-dodge.
so while i guess it's possible that it is specific to footstools, it seems wildly unlikely.
so while i guess it's possible that it is specific to footstools, it seems wildly unlikely.
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Really? So it's not like Melee meteor smashes where you can cancel it by jumping/UpB? Or am I wrong on that too?
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Guys
Snake has a chaingrab on us now
discuss
Snake has a chaingrab on us now
discuss
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Original Post or it didn't happen.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Denzi
Smash Master
They've known about that for a while.
AKC12
Smash Journeyman
Is Falco's jab cancelling insignificant? I was playing around with it for a while, but I don't think it is any different than waiting for his idle animation.