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[Denzi]

Zero you can't edgeguard, her downB is like marth's upb, invincibility, aka can't chaingrab

You can CG ZSS to 45% like everyone else, trust me

And technically no one will die EVERY time from the CG because they can SDI + Tech.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You can CG ZSS to 45% like everyone else, trust me

And technically no one will die EVERY time from the CG because they can SDI + Tech.

CP Aero Dive. Falco **** stage if you can avoid getting thrown off.

 

[cheese619]

I chaingrab Zamus' to 30% with ease and occasionally to 45% but I'm not sure if that part's because I'm buffering correctly or they didn't use downB.

 

[Jon?]

You can CG ZSS to 45% like everyone else, trust me

And technically no one will die EVERY time from the CG because they can SDI + Tech.

I haven't seen anyone bold enough to try and tech Falcos spike. I pretty much consider that not an option when spiking someone. lol

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Dehf does it...

 

[Lord Chair]

All the pros do it, except for the sloppy ones.

That, really.

 

[Jon?]

Dehf does it...

I have not seen him play in a Falco ditto? Any videos of him teching?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No vids online.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I have not seen him play in a Falco ditto? Any videos of him teching?

This is DEHF we are talking about. He avoided an MK so much he timed it out. He doesn't get grabbed.

 

[gunterrsmash01]

the Tech isn't neccessary, just SDI to land on the stage

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

the Tech isn't neccessary, just SDI to land on the stage

Why not SDI onto the stage and tech roll away from Falco.

 

[Vlade]

I think Ozz meant that even if you couldn't tech, you could still avoid getting 0-death'ed by only SDIing

 

[swordsaint]

I think Ozz meant that even if you couldn't tech, you could still avoid getting 0-death'ed by only SDIing

And the winner of the Captain Obvious award is......Vlade!

 

[smashkng]

Bowser - edgehog
Link - edgehog
Mario - edgehog
Ganondorf - edgehog, or get caught in UpB and Dair him (if that even works)
Falco -edgehog/kill with aerial attack
Wolf -edgehog/kill with aerial attack
Ice Climbers - lol
Diddy Kong - ferocious edgeguarding needed
Marth - don't even bother attempting to edgehog/kill with aerial
Ness - edgeguard
Ike - edgeguard
Zero Suit Samus - edgeguard
squirtle/ivysaur - edgehog
Meta Knight - ...
Snake - edgeguard
King Dedede - edgeguard
Mr. Game & Watch - edgeguard
Wario - edgeguard
Lucario - edgehog, then edgeguard
Pikachu - edgeguard
Donkey Kong - edgehog
Pit - edgeguard
Toon Link - edgeguard
Fox - edgeguard
Sheik - edgehog
Lucas - edgeguard
Charizard - edgehog/edgeguard
Yoshi - edgeguard
Sonic - edgeguard
Captain Falcon - edgeguard

Pretty much most of the cast can recover, you just have to provide a little extra nudge to kill them. Like ness you just have to pretty much go offstage and Bair him far enough so he cannot recover. People like Lucario/shiek you have to edgehog to get them onstage and then punish the ending lag of the UpB. Some are too risky to attempt like MK, so you just have to work keeping him offstage. ICs are not even worth mentioning.

Falco's dair only works on Ganon out of Up B if Falco is at like 90-100%. However, Falco's Nair can hit Ganon at almost any percent above 50%.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

70%, on the dair.

 

[colddegree]

what does BDACUS mean and how is it different than dacus and how do u do it?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I think Ozz meant that even if you couldn't tech, you could still avoid getting 0-death'ed by only SDIing

That is given. You either here about DI and tech, or SDI onto the stage. You never here about SDI and then tech. I mean, I think if you could SDI and then tech onstage, you would be able to punish Falco in a way after the tech. Or falco just goes and punishes you more so.

And the winner of the Captain Obvious award is......Vlade!

Half way into a conversation makes you lose out on the meaning o.o

what does BDACUS mean and how is it different than dacus and how do u do it?

BDACUS is only different because it's a buffered dacus. Hard timing due to it needing multiple inputs in the right order in a short period of time. The benefits is a near full length Dacus, with the added effect of Usmash sweeping a larger area. I'll try to find the vid shortly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfOAByZDXpQ&feature=related

Regular Dacus loses momentum once the usmash comes out. THe buffered dacus continues with it's momentum even after the attack comes out making it slighlty less punishable as it won't stop right in front of the opponent.

Anyone correct me if I got this wrong, it's sort of new to me too the differences.

 

[Sharky]

^ I was just talking about this tonight at a local smashfest.

Anyway any good tips for ROB MU? There's a local player in my region who I feel like I can go head to head with (Sharky a yoshi main) but whenever I play competitive matches against him he busts out ROB. -____-

lol@uberlatenamesearch

dehf's got the right ideas, but I haven't seen you use them at all =(

 

[Attila_]

watching larry vs fiction, i noticed a few times larry cged fiction a little bit above 45% and still managed to dair. can you cg wario higher?

 

[dainbramage]

You can cg 'til the tumble animation on most characters. So some heavies like wario and DDD we get an extra grab on.

 

[DEHF]

watching larry vs fiction, i noticed a few times larry cged fiction a little bit above 45% and still managed to dair. can you cg wario higher?

You can chain grab Wario and other characters to about 50% from 0

 

[Attila_]

is there a list of these 'other characters'?

 

[DEHF]

Check the list of characters and their weights. Actually, I think someone made a list of how many times you can chain grab each character in the Falco boards.

 

[dainbramage]

^^That was done in training mode though.

 

[BluB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH1ZeTuNb44
5:01 Does that always work?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH1ZeTuNb44
5:01 Does that always work?

MK's tornado has a natural weakspot in the dead center. If an attack manages to land in there, then yes, it will hit MK right out of the attack. This particular method will not work all the time. The tornado gains priority the longer it is out and would eventually beat out Nair. That tornado was out for only a short period of time and therefore didnt' gain much priority thus allowing Nair to do what it did.

 

[X-FACTOR]

I'm watching Falco vids! Can anyone recommend some top Falco players to lookout for?

Thanks

 

[BluB]

@Xeylode: Ok, thanks.
@x-factor: DEHF, just type his name in yt.

 

[MisterDrBob]

here ya go

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=180641

thank you!

 

[eRonin]

Hey, I'm just wondering. I watch a lot of Japanese matches, so I see Rain play a lot...My question is, are American Falcos better than Rain or just about the same? Or worse?
Thanks guys

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

We have absolutly no idea. There still has not been an international tournament as of yet. So, it is difficult to accuratly gauge players skills. From what I have seen, Rain is really good at camping while the rest of the Falco's here are not that hardcore camping style.

 

[Jon?]

Hey, I was wondering if any East Coast Falco players post on these boards often? I just came back from a small regional tournament from the Atlantic South and I was the only Falco player that played campy and conservative. Everyone else was really aggressive. Too aggressive for my taste.

 

[Darxmarth23]

updated the OP
added some rules just in case someone wants to start a fire

although it doubt it will happen

carry on guys

 

[eRonin]

We have absolutly no idea. There still has not been an international tournament as of yet. So, it is difficult to accuratly gauge players skills. From what I have seen, Rain is really good at camping while the rest of the Falco's here are not that hardcore camping style.

Do Japanese players go to MLG? I suppose upcoming MLG would be a good opportunity for a lot of international players to enter a worthwhile tournament.
I would love to see Bombsoldier and Rain play against Americans.

It's a shame Bombsoldier doesn't main Falco anymore...I think his Falco is actually better than Rain's

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

Jab canceling how can is this done? Also how and when is it a good time to use. If a user could give me a link that would be great as well.

 

[BleachigoZX]

Jab canceling how can is it done? Also how and when is it a good time to use. If a user could give me a link that would be great as well.

You hit down as the jab finishes.

You can only use it for mixups. Nothing is safe out of Jab*attack* or Jab-Jab*attack* except the end of the jab combo. It is supposed to be less laggy than a regular jab, but I'm not sure by how much.

 

[Tech-Nelium the Shark]

Thanks for your help

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

You hit down as the jab finishes.

You can only use it for mixups. Nothing is safe out of Jab*attack* or Jab-Jab*attack* except the end of the jab combo. It is supposed to be less laggy than a regular jab, but I'm not sure by how much.

I know someone who could probably figure that out, but anytime I ever asked anything from them before I never got a response back >_>

It sounds like Jab Canceling with the control stick means down on it activates IASA frames. I think it would be a simple matter to ask someone who is in the PSA program thingy to ask if Falco has any IASA frames for Jab apart from another A/AAA follow up.

 

[Jon?]

Can someone describe the input for Bdacus again? I need something to practice while on Easter break.

 

[J4pu]

bdacus stands for buffered dacus
which is literally what it is
just buffer a dacus input