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[King of Sack]

No. It's close, but not quite.

Are you sure? I thought if you buffered them, they were true.

 

[metroid1117]

Are you sure? I thought if you buffered them, they were true.

No, we only have a 7 frame advantage; UTilt and DSmash both come out on frame 13, so it's not quite a true combo even if you buffer it perfectly.

 

[lcampoy8]

aww **** :/ i just think its better to just complete the jab combo, jab to grab isn't even that good either. You can get more percent completing the jab combo then jab to grab and ike really doesn't have any good grab follow ups...

btw when does bthrow to DA work?

 

[Nidtendofreak]

A heck of a long % range. When it stops being a true combo, it's because they are looking at being KOed by nearly anything. Jab 1 -> Jab1 -> Grab -> Bthrow -> DA is beast. When I'm offline, I save the Full Combo as a KOing move. Seriously, it's his easiest to land KOing move after all.

And I thought Utilt came out frame 11. >_>

 

[lcampoy8]

Yea but i think bthrow to DA is tech-able. Also I think bthrow to DA doesn't work on floaty character either.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Nope, it's a true combo. Figured out with frame data and everything. It does work on most characters, I think there are only 5 it doesn't work on.

 

[metroid1117]

A heck of a long % range. When it stops being a true combo, it's because they are looking at being KOed by nearly anything. Jab 1 -> Jab1 -> Grab -> Bthrow -> DA is beast. When I'm offline, I save the Full Combo as a KOing move. Seriously, it's his easiest to land KOing move after all.

And I thought Utilt came out frame 11. >_>

Personally, I use jab -> jab combo for building up damage and then jab -> BThrow -> dash attack at mid %s.

But yeah, I gave Kirk's Frame Data another look; DSmash and UTilt are equally fast and come out on frame 13.

 

[san.]

Hmph. I just don't like bthrow to dash attack because it just doesn't work for me.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Hmph. I just don't like bthrow to dash attack because it just doesn't work for me.

Figure it out? It's Ike's only true combo that deals good damage. >_>

 

[Palpi]

...I can't buffer stuff from d3 dthrow (since i dont play him ever) and i can buffer the dash attack from the bthrow xD.

I have been using a lot more utilt lately and it has been paying off. I 2-0 (5 stocked) a mario and killed him with 3 utilt and used it to build some dmg.

 

[WingBr]

Hey guys I got some more noob questions to you and I would be very grateful if you could answer then properly. Anyways, here are the questions:

1 - Is there some good way you would recomend to practice DI? I'm trying to improve my game doing this, I know the theory about it and all, but I just can't "remember" to do it while playing. How did you guys learned to do it? Any extra thoughts?

2 - About Nair returning from ledge and Fair returning from ledge: is one of them proven ot be best? What one you use? I'm trying to learn then and I'm having some problens, but I guss it's normal considering my playing level, anyway I just want to know if oe offers more benefits than the other one.

3 - It's worth to run in the opposite direction then pivot grab real fast for the extra range or should I just do something ele?

4 - When jabbing, is it better to hold A or to mash it? why?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Kirk]

For the people saying Bthrow > Dash attack is a true combo, please stop lol.

This is one of those things where it is character(weight, fall speed, etc.) and percentage(higher percents send into a tumble and further) dependent.

A lot of characters can just shield because they hit the ground and be able to act before the dash attack gets there. If characters start getting to higher percents, they will be able to air dodge faster and have the ability to DI(usually upwards) with possibility of avoiding the attack.

In the end, it is a great followup that can catch people off guard because the window of opportunity to avoid it is very small, however it is not guaranteed depending on the character and their percent.

Nyah~

 

[Lord_Naomasa]

Wow, it seems everything has changed here. I am just getting back into brawl after taking a break (actually it was last summer when I stopped playing competively). Where has all the clans and stuff gone to? Ike in the extreme low tiers, WTF is up with that. I remember last time everyone were discussing how he was a lower high tier character. I remember people were complaining about how Ike was really good. Just wondering about what happaned to him. Well, enough of the rambling, just saying hi and trying to figure out what's going on : )

 

[King of Sack]

Hmph. I just don't like bthrow to dash attack because it just doesn't work for me.

You do buffer the DA don't you?

 

[Teh Brettster]

Kirk, what's a very good example of a character who gets hit by Bthrow -> DA in a large range of damage %?
(I ask so we can get an idea of weight/fall speed in our heads for reference. I'm hazy on this as well. I also ask YOU because you seem to just know the most.. stuff.. out of all of us.)

 

[Nysyarc]

Maybe we should make a big list that includes what characters and at what percents Bthrow -> DA is a true combo? Obviously it would take awhile to make the list but I think it would be worth it. We'd never be caught by someone shielding our DA again because we'd always know when it will and won't work.

 

[Teh Brettster]

Heh, the fact that it's so finicky is probably why so many people get hit by throw -> Usmash. If you guys haven't tried that one, I recommend it. You'll hit a lot of spot dodges.

 

[Nysyarc]

Heh, the fact that it's so finicky is probably why so many people get hit by throw -> Usmash. If you guys haven't tried that one, I recommend it. You'll hit a lot of spot dodges.

I've started using Usmash a lot more often recently. Like, I used to avoid my smash attacks almost entirely, but I've found people get hit with Usmash more often than you'd think because it just takes a bit longer to come out than they're used to. I can often bait and punish a roll or a spot dodge just with an Usmash as long as I've got my opponent thinking I'm doing something else.

Lol, when I was having friendlies with Wil yesterday (I think it was yesterday), he would run up to me and spot dodge a lot, so one time I just charged an Fsmash as he ran up and sure enough he spot dodged and then ate the fully charged Fsmash. You just have to know when to use the smash attacks to screw with people's heads. It's fun.

 

[Palpi]

if your opponent gets hit by dthrow to upsmash once, they will just jump and not get hit by it again ever.

I did SH-> QD right to "Hyphen usmash" left for kill. I jizzed. The QD didn't hit, it was just bait

@nysyarc...cause you know smart players run up to you and spot dodge a lot...lol

 

[Nysyarc]

@nysyarc...cause you know smart players run up to you and spot dodge a lot...lol

Obviously not... but every player has patterns and I was giving an example of one >_>

 

[PeppyWil]

>_> It's a bad habit, bite me. xD I was probably trying to spotdodge slide behind him and land a grab or jab.

 

[Teh Brettster]

if your opponent gets hit by dthrow to upsmash once, they will just jump and not get hit by it again ever.

I never said Dthrow. But once in a blue moon, that'll work.

Fthrow or Bthrow.

I know pros who get hit consistently. Lol.

 

[Palpi]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I will have to try it i suppose.

 

[Kirk]

In case anyone would be interested...

I'm going to be setting up a stream from my house tomorrow sometime in the afternoon...going until late at night. I'm having a smashfest with lots of people and Rykoshet shall be coming in for a visit.

Just letting people know because...you should watch! :D

 

[Marauder]

I'd like to see you and Ryko duke it out. Should be fun.

 

[PeppyWil]

Yeah Kirk, that should be interesting. :O I'll watch.

 

[comboking]

In case anyone would be interested...

I'm going to be setting up a stream from my house tomorrow sometime in the afternoon...going until late at night. I'm having a smashfest with lots of people and Rykoshet shall be coming in for a visit.

Just letting people know because...you should watch! :D

Record you vs Ryko and put it on youtube please.

 

[FrznSaber]

I'd like to see you and Ryko duke it out. Should be fun.

To me that is definitely a must see.

And back to the subject of smashes, how useful is downsmash in competitive gameplay, and how would you normally bait the move.

 

[comboking]

You have better options than Down Smash. It's not that useful.

 

[King of Sack]

In case anyone would be interested...

I'm going to be setting up a stream from my house tomorrow sometime in the afternoon...going until late at night. I'm having a smashfest with lots of people and Rykoshet shall be coming in for a visit.

Just letting people know because...you should watch! :D

Where would I go to watch it? -_-'

 

[PeppyWil]

Yeah Kirk, link us up!

 

[Palpi]

You have better options than Down Smash. It's not that useful.

D-smash is a last resort kill if your opponent is high percents. Jab dsmash is either almost a combo or a combo, I have seen it power shielded, but it was probably human error if it is indeed a combo.

 

[Teh Brettster]

D-smash is a last resort kill if your opponent is high percents. Jab dsmash is either almost a combo or a combo, I have seen it power shielded, but it was probably human error if it is indeed a combo.

Not quite a combo. Same as Utilt, I believe.

 

[metroid1117]

Not quite a combo. Same as Utilt, I believe.

Correct. Even a frame-perfect jab -> DSmash or jab -> UTilt is not a true combo by like 7 frames or so.

 

[Nysyarc]

In case anyone would be interested...

I'm going to be setting up a stream from my house tomorrow sometime in the afternoon...going until late at night. I'm having a smashfest with lots of people and Rykoshet shall be coming in for a visit.

Just letting people know because...you should watch! :D

Awesome, let me know if there's any matches you want me to get with my screen capture program. As long as the stream doesn't lag too much (which it shouldn't) it'll produce some nice HD videos.

And yah, send us a link.

 

[Kirk]

We will be recording our own stuff, so no worries about that.

As of now the feed will be on:

http://www.stickam.com/kirkbrawl

That's the one that's been working for me the best, so ima go with that.

Yesz!

 

[Nysyarc]

Okay good, lol, I wanted to offer but I don't think I'd be able to handle the pressure of recording someone else's match live.

Cool, cool. I like links... but not the Brawl kind, they're just silly. I mean come on, who uses one-handed swords? Pffft.

 

[PeppyWil]

And projectiles. Forget that, lolololol.

Thanks Kirk!

 

[Palpi]

>_> It's a bad habit, bite me. xD I was probably trying to spotdodge slide behind him and land a grab or jab.

Don't roll behind people anyway.

 

[PeppyWil]

Don't roll behind people anyway.

I don't roll behind people, where did you get that? -_-