Apex 2012 Ruleset Discussion

[Alex Strife]

Due to international Players attending I have decided on the following rule set.


NEUTRAL:
Smashville,
Final Destination,
Battlefield,
Yoshi Story,
Lylat

COUNTER-PICK:
Frigate,
Rainbow Cruise,
Halberd,
Castle Siege,
Delfino,
Pokemon Stadium 1

BANNED: Everything else. If both players agree to play on a banned stage then its ok

 

[GDX]

*fist pump* **** yea no brinstar

but aww no pictochat

seriously, seems fine to me though. simple yet effective.

 

[Alex Strife]

ur the man GDX XD

 

[Ravenlord]

seems okay to me.

 

[EPsilon933]

Counter picks are gay. Good to see less of them

 

[skaterbaj]

lol this looks fine whatever happened to the EVERYone must follow this ruleset thing to be stickied and stuff?

BUt yeah This ruleset seems like the one i see at the tourneys i go to.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Looks very much agreeable. I also like Lylat as a starter instead of the overly campy PS1. Good choices.

 

[Seagull Joe]

I like this ruleset because no brinstar, which means I can just ban Rc against Mk's!

Also, please say "Dave's Stupid Rule" is in effect this time...

 

[MK26]

inb4 budget player cadet

 

[GDX]

I like this ruleset because no brinstar, which means I can just ban Rc against Mk's!

Also, please say "Dave's Stupid Rule" is in effect this time...

^^^ definitely agree with that one

 

[TheTantalus]

Dave's stupid rule really should be a must

else i'm going to sv every time

 

[Mr.-0]

I like this stagelists lots. Conservative stage lists are always the best.

 

[Life]

inb4 budget player cadet

WTB PS2 as a starter

 

[ADHD]

It's competitively good.

Rulesets don't have to be so black & white.

 

[Alex Strife]

Dave's stupid rule is in effect

 

[RATED]

Pretty good stagelist.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Looks legit.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

I don't like the starter list, but otherwise it looks okay. I can fully understand it being more limited since Japan has what, 3 stages legal?

 

[Kaffei]

No Brinstar!!!!
Omfg I must be dreaming this is too good to be true

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Yes, no Brinstar. tbh, I'm a little more happy about it than I'd like to admit.

 

[Kaffei]

currently viewing thread: Kaffei*, Nosboss, Player-1, Stratford, MK26, Budget Player Cadet_

lololol

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Yes, because we should be adapting to Japan. The place where they not only aren't allowed to play for money, but are also ******** when it comes to rulesets. You have got to be ****ing kidding me. This is literally worse than any recent german stagelist. You have officially become more conservative than GERMANY. And I made fun of them... God dammit.

No Brinstar. Okay, fine, I can understand that. Brinstar and RC are kind of ridiculous for MK, and banning one of them is a decent move. Still, the states have been fine with both for how long? This is not a step forwards! Furthermore, two stage bans is better than banning the stage on virtually every level. MK busted on those two stages? Boom, two stage bans and suddenly it's not a problem, and only available for matchups where it isn't broken. But if it's the choice between what is better in theory but untested in practice and what is way worse in theory but shown in practice to not break anything, playing it safe only loses something that nobody here cares about (competitive depth in regards to stages).


No PS2. Okay this is where I start to get pissy. Worried about the international audience?
http://forum.germansmash.de/thread.php?threadid=14529
Look under ruleset and you'll see that PS2 is legal.
http://forum.germansmash.de/thread.php?threadid=14762
Same there.
http://forum.germansmash.de/thread.php?threadid=13171
Same there. Those are the most recent and two upcoming major tournaments in germany. All of them have PS2 in their rulesets. I have argued god knows how many pages over Pokemon Stadium 2 as a legal stage. I will continue to do so, in this thread if need be. There is simply not a single reason to ban this stage. It has gained widespread acceptance by even the most conservative of players, was in the BBRRC list, and has proven through fairly extensive playtesting to be a complete and utter non-issue. The only possible reason to ban it is because people would whine about it. And at that point... Why is MK legal for this tournament?

Starters... Eh. To be expected. 7 starter (what pound used) is just so much better though.

I'm sorry if I sound a little exasperated, but this is just quite a lot of time of mine going up in smoke. This ruleset is a gigantic step backwards for brawl. Seriously. I mean, **** the BBRRC, right? They don't need to be paid attention to. I thought that their ruleset was bogus, but now I realize that it's not only way better than yours, it's also going to be ignored like any other centralized brawl organization.
Gratz.


...Yeah, for the most part I'm just salty that you took the already stupidly conservative AN list and removed two stages. And that this is, more likely than not, going to be the new norm. Nice going, Axel. And **** you Kaffei.

And before anyone says, "well why do you care", like I said this is worse than in germany. Before as **** got slowly more and more conservative, I could at least stand back and say, "well, it's not getting any worse, at least". If this leaks to germany, then I'm going to be really ****ing pissed because this ruleset is bogus, and it's got exactly one stage less than the most current german ones–my favorite stage less.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Shut up

 

[Kaffei]

so you dont want us to adapt to japan but you want us to adapt to germany because they have ps2

lololloolollolooolololollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolollolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololo

 

[Albert.]

ROFL BPC is so predictable omgggg

Next time BPC you should try defying expectations as a way of furthering your goals. Cause Idunno if you've noticed but rants like that haven't gotten you anywhere

I love how that seems like an attack on you, but really it is NOT, it's just a statement of fact.

Edit: Yay no Picto!!!

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Shut up

No.

Also, what happened to the BBRRC? Axel, do you feel justified in stabbing what could be the most important organizations for brawl in america in the back? You know, the one that makes sure that all nationals have the same ruleset? The one that might unify the brawl community? What's the justification?

@Kaffei: no. I want you to use your brains. I don't want the american brawl rulesets to become like Japan, or like germany. In case you didn't notice, it used to be a shining example of how to do rulesets.

 

[Kaffei]

Alex is the TO and decides the rule set. fk the BBRBRBRCBBRCBRBRAB whatever it is

 

[MK26]

No.

Also, what happened to the BBRRC? Axel, do you feel justified in stabbing what could be the most important organizations for brawl in america in the back? You know, the one that makes sure that all nationals have the same ruleset? The one that might unify the brawl community? What's the justification?

@Kaffei: no. I want you to use your brains. I don't want the american brawl rulesets to become like Japan, or like germany. In case you didn't notice, it used to be a shining example of how to do rulesets.

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EDIT: when exactly is Apex 2012 occuring?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Can we just all agree that the Japanese ruleset is the best by far?

 

[Kaffei]

No.

Also, what happened to the BBRRC? Axel, do you feel justified in stabbing what could be the most important organizations for brawl in america in the back? You know, the one that makes sure that all nationals have the same ruleset? The one that might unify the brawl community? What's the justification?

@Kaffei: no. I want you to use your brains. I don't want the american brawl rulesets to become like Japan, or like germany. In case you didn't notice, it used to be a shining example of how to do rulesets.

shining example wtf

apex is in january 2012

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Can we just all agree that the Japanese ruleset is the best by far?

Can you not parade around bull**** which has been shown to be not true? Look, I have literally proven that the Japanese ruleset is less competitive than, well, virtually any other ruleset commonly present.

EDIT: Also, I think I'm making a pretty good point here. If you're so worried about the international players, consider this. There are people trying to stage a mass coming from Germany. Like, as many as possible. And the most recent german national, as well as the two nearest upcoming ones, have Pokemon Stadium 2 legal. Throw in my absolutely massive argumentations for the stage (you know, where I demonstrate that literally the only reason to ban the stage is that brawlers do not like it)... Way to cater to the international crowd, huh.

 

[Kaffei]

Can you not parade around bull**** which has been shown to be not true? Look, I have literally proven that the Japanese ruleset is less competitive than, well, virtually any other ruleset commonly present.

talk to alex ok stop mad

 

[Albert.]

Yeah but they still compete with it so it works for them.

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

And my friends compete on Temple.

 

[Kaffei]

And my friends compete on Temple.

talk to alex plz. stop cry.

 

[Albert.]

Temples a good stage though, for them, because it's fun.

different perceptions allow for different rulesets. and usually it's the majority perception that dictates these huge tournaments' rulesets. See, the TOs are catering to the will of the people and not the small minority complaining about this stage or that stage.

I feel like I'm explaining really, really basic logic that you have never been able to understand.

 

[Life]

talk to alex plz. stop cry.

Funny, because that's exactly what he's doing by posting in this thread...

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Temples a good stage though, for them, because it's fun.

different perceptions allow for different rulesets. and usually it's the majority perception that dictates these huge tournaments' rulesets. See, the TOs are catering to the will of the people and not the small minority complaining about this stage or that stage.

I feel like I'm explaining really, really basic logic that you have never been able to understand.

What you're missing is that there's logical reasoning behind me spouting this crap. I'm not talking out of my *** when I say "This ruleset is more competitive with Pokemon Stadium 2 legal". I've got it solidly backed up. You wanna know why? I'll gladly shoot you a few dozen pages of exactly why. It's not just that the TOs are catering to the will of the people; it's that they're doing that instead of what is the most competitive thing to do.

I suppose what I've never been able to wrap my head around is how you guys are so able and willing to do things that are anticompetitive; create rulesets which water down the game's depth because "I don't like this stage, I think it's gay". Or rather, what I've never been able to see is how the competitive brawl community will craft rulesets purely on personal preference when the tools to craft the ideal competitive ruleset are right there. How personal preference reached the competitive arena to this level. How smashers are willing to whine and ***** to the extent that TOs are unwilling to do what is better for the competitive depth of the game because they are scared of the backlash. And finally how many people are unwilling to accept that there is a way of determining what is competitively correct. THAT is what I have never understood, and probably never will.

And I have PM'd axel with my case, so I'll leave this thread to, well, anyone with more patience on their hands (there aren't many).

 

[Kaffei]

Funny, because that's exactly what he's doing by posting in this thread...

why not PM? he doesn't need to start a flame war here


also BPC link me your explanation of why PS2 is good i wanna read it.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Who cares? He's not gonna change Alex' stance on the stage list if 399 of the 400 attendants don't agree with him.