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[Coney]

four-man pools scare me

i mean i hate to bring it back up but i wasn't really there for the rabble-rousing before...the situation is particularly interesting for a player like me, or chu, or pretty much any top-level player that has been less active than usual. are we still first seeds, since there are so many pools and we've proven ourselves to be capable of it? are we second seeds because of our relative inactivity? md/va only has like, one tournament a month and i've been to both the past two months and done well, but well enough to shoulder myself into a first seed against the other tough competition here?

i mean, i ask because i'm pretty confident i'll be making it out of the first pool anyway. without meaning to sound too vain or self-absorbed, putting me or chu as a second seed in a four-man pool is a pretty mean thing to do. am i making a point or do i just sound arrogant?

 

[Typ_Ex]

oh yeah, me too. im really good in my state, however my state isn't that active. can i still get first seed too? I'm also okay in neighboring states...........

 

[Divinokage]

Like I said again, if you are intent to win then.. there's no problem.

 

[Coney]

Like I said again, if you are intent to win then.. there's no problem.

of course, but with pools that stacked, a decent third-seed that is gonna get headbutted out of the pool without a chance. obviously we shouldn't cater to the lower level, but at a tournament this huge, this inclusive, touting itself as an experience, it's something to consider

four-man pools can be good if done well, i'm just concerned for like, someone like azen or lee martin being a second seed or something. i'm exaggerating a little, but you understand

 

[Wake]

I just realized that Amsah is teaming with Ice... good god that's an awesome/scary team.

 

[Divinokage]

Yes of course, with a large number of pools, some players will definitely slip up and get 2nd seed for the next round which will be really hard. =P I guess even for R1, it could be hard too maybe.. but we'll see soon enough won't we?

Also, I don't see how the 2nd round of pools is made if only top 2 advance, that means each pool will have 2 1st seeds and 2 2nd seeds. That's a little strange.

Edit: Yes it is, Wake. =P

 

[Wake]

I cannot wait to see that in action.

 

[Roller]

yo. whoever in my pool bout ta get bodied idgaf who the hell you are. If I can get out of pools at pound, I can get out of pools at this.

I hope whoever sees me is ready to catch a swift ****ing.

To be fair, you wouldn't have made it out of your first pool if Hylian hadn't ****'d around and gone Falco vs ilove. He ***** him when he went ICs, and it was clear he could have had the set, which would have knocked you down to 4th seed because of how absurdly close your pool was.

I hope you do well tho.

four-man pools scare me

i mean i hate to bring it back up but i wasn't really there for the rabble-rousing before...the situation is particularly interesting for a player like me, or chu, or pretty much any top-level player that has been less active than usual. are we still first seeds, since there are so many pools and we've proven ourselves to be capable of it? are we second seeds because of our relative inactivity? md/va only has like, one tournament a month and i've been to both the past two months and done well, but well enough to shoulder myself into a first seed against the other tough competition here?

i mean, i ask because i'm pretty confident i'll be making it out of the first pool anyway. without meaning to sound too vain or self-absorbed, putting me or chu as a second seed in a four-man pool is a pretty mean thing to do. am i making a point or do i just sound arrogant?

Coney, you're pretty much expressing the concerns that everyone else has, and they are more than legitimate. With so many really good players showing up to this, and with a lot of them not having seeding points. The seeding is going to **** people over no matter what. You definitely do deserve a 1st seed round 1 tho, imo.

Also, I don't see how the 2nd round of pools is made if only top 2 advance, that means each pool will have 2 1st seeds and 2 2nd seeds. That's a little strange.

It's been done before. I think last APEX might have done top 3 out of ~7/8 advance from first round to pools of 6 with 2 of each seed. Could be wrong, but it has been done at other tourneys. I think Pound V did as well.

 

[PB&J]

second round of pools will have 2 first seeds but i guess we will see what happens when so called "upsets" happen

 

[So Fatal]

suddenly my partner can't go or my best friend and now girl friend. Also past promises to have free entry seem to have fallen off the face of the earth :/

 

[steep]

This thread should be consulted by the TO staff as they make pools.

Lol… Indiana isn't even mentioned in that thread… I bet I could be in there! Ha Ha

 

[Roller]

Not perfect, but better to have that resource available; Lists of top players, as decided by intelligent players within the regions; than to try to go off of what a few TOs from NY/NJ think they know about other regions players.

 

[KageMurphy]

suddenly my partner can't go or my best friend and now girl friend. Also past promises to have free entry seem to have fallen off the face of the earth :/

Suddenly a 3 way is on the rise.

 

[MVD]

LOL

 

[da K.I.D.]

i mean, i ask because i'm pretty confident i'll be making it out of the first pool anyway. without meaning to sound too vain or self-absorbed, putting me or chu as a second seed in a four-man pool is a pretty mean thing to do. am i making a point or do i just sound arrogant?

a little of both.

I mean, as far as I know its 64 pools first round. and just like I told Nick Riddle, EVERY regions best players are going to be there. Theres at least like 100 people that could be considered 1st seeds. More possible first seeds than there are pools means that no matter what happens there are people that are going to get the short end of the stick. And theres nothing that Alex Strife, or DM, or Cris, or any of us can do about it.

So stop complaining, show up and play the hand youre dealt.

To be fair, you wouldn't have made it out of your first pool if Hylian hadn't ****'d around and gone Falco vs ilove. He ***** him when he went ICs, and it was clear he could have had the set, which would have knocked you down to 4th seed because of how absurdly close your pool was.

I hope you do well tho.

Yo, real talk, tell me why my first round pool was just as hard (maybe harder) than my second round pool lol.

Also, both me and iLove made it out of second round pools too. So it wasnt a complete fluke.

 

[Coney]

again, i'm not complaining for me, i could care less. i just care about xxsupersneakysnake42069xx who's going to have a very rough first national

 

[da K.I.D.]

im so mad you put 420 and 69 in that username.

 

[Coney]

hyper swag

 

[Wake]

Oh... M2K is teaming with Armada... interesting.

M2K, if you play Armada in singles, try going Peach. You're good at the ditto

 

[AllyKnight]

suddenly my partner can't go or my best friend and now girl friend. Also past promises to have free entry seem to have fallen off the face of the earth :/

afaik. you have to reg yourself. they are giving u money at apex (though they might have cancelled that idk)

 

[@TKbreezy]

Suddenly a 3 way is on the rise.

CAN'T. BREATHE.

again, i'm not complaining for me, i could care less. i just care about xxsupersneakysnake42069xx who's going to have a very rough first national

I just want to take the time to give some shoutouts to the randoms who will have a very rough first national.

KirbyKing27

xXLazOrrzXx

SuperSonicSpeedster29

1337Donkeypunch1337

and last but not least

Eggbawmber22

atleast you guys got friendlies.

 

[AlphaZealot]

I wonder how many people registered assuming 6-person pools?

 

[Keitaro]

Funny thing is, they still might get a 6 person pool. But with only top 2 making it out.

 

[PB&J]

i hope second round pools are very stacked tbh like pound 3 round 3 pools

 

[Robfox]

anybody arriving @ the new brunswick station?
If so we should all meet up & walk together.
I already got Allied down if he still can make it.

 

[AlphaZealot]

4-man pools = just for getting the tournament done faster. No other justification, really. Seeding would be worse for subsequent pools since you only have two tiers to work with instead of three (6-person top 3 getting out vs 4-person top 2 getting out).

Basically four person pools is pointless, you might as well run a double elimination bracket. All four person pools is is faking the idea and purpose of even running pools, the idea of which was to give the player, in particular not the best players, a chance to play a lot of people in real tournament matches.

I'll never forget my pools at Melee FCD, where it was 8 person pools top 4 advance into 8 person pools top 4 advance, etc. It was awesome, I played so many different people, some from other countries, and many way better than me. I only got through to the second round, but I felt I easily got my money worth of matches.

Looking over the schedule for Apex 2012 I see some things that are worrying. Tournament match time for Brawl, for example, will be what? 3PM - 3AM? 12 hours to whittle 300 people to top 8. If the argument is there will be plenty of friendly stations, then why not just make the pools larger and take longer to complete the tournament so lower to mid level players get more matches, especially with better opponents since typically those better opponents will not be playing friendlies anyways (they will still be in the tournament!)

Don't get me wrong, first and foremost the tournament needs to be completed. But don't tell people there will be plenty of friendly setups all weekend long & that you need to run four-person pools in order to finish on time, since they are contradicting statements.

Ideally tournaments should be run in order to give the most tournament match time to as many people as possible, since right off the bat from the first round of pools no matter how you run it you will likely be eliminating half of your entrants (e.g. the majority of your paying customers). If this indeed is the goal or at least a higher priority then simply completing the tournament as fast as possible (e.g. a single elimination bracket) then it is simply a matter of looking at the number of setups available and the number of hours available. The goal is to maximize the average match count (average = # of total matches played/# of entrants).

If it is truly about creating the best experience possible for as many as possible at the event, then maximizing tournament playing time should be important. The stream monsters won't be effected at all if there is four-person or six-person pools, so that isn't even a factor here.

Also Melee finals an entire day after Melee finishes?

 

[TSM ZeRo]

Well, as I am an international attendant I would like to give my opinion on this Pool/Time topic.

I wouldn't have any problems with what the Apex's Staff decide. In the end, they know what they're doing, and how they have to do it to finish the tournament on time/make sure people have a good time. In short, I trust the Apex Staff on this topic.

As an international attendant, I would prefer the "way" to play as much tournament matches as possible. Because, well, I am travelling to compete at Apex so one of my goals is to play as much tournament matches as possible.

But like I said, I trust the Apex staff on their decisions regarding this topic. They know what they're doing. And I'm gonna accept their decisions, and enjoy the tournament .

I just want to take the time to give some shoutouts to the randoms who will have a very rough first national.

KirbyKing27

xXLazOrrzXx

SuperSonicSpeedster29

1337Donkeypunch1337

and last but not least

Eggbawmber22

atleast you guys got friendlies.

You forgot Xxx1NaRuToMASTER69xxX and tortureturniptosser482.

Everyone, watch out for them in your pool!

 

[CT Chia]

can people please wait until pools are actually made?

im not 100% sure who promised what but i can ensure all of you when i begin making the pools when reg ends (for brfawl, not melee) i will work and do all calculations required to make the best balanced pools for time seeding and experience.

all discussion on pools at this point is realy just beating a dead horse

 

[VSC.D-Torr]

Also Melee finals an entire day after Melee finishes?

This shouldn't be a problem.

At EVO 2011, SSFIV:AE had its entire bracket before Top 8 on Friday with no tourney matches on Saturday. The AE Top 8 finals finished on Sunday as the final main event. Tjat tourney turned out great for almost everybody there, if not everyone altogether.

 

[Atomsk_92]

So Chibo, how about your pool last year?

 

[Hylian]

4-man pools = just for getting the tournament done faster. No other justification, really. Seeding would be worse for subsequent pools since you only have two tiers to work with instead of three (6-person top 3 getting out vs 4-person top 2 getting out).

Basically four person pools is pointless, you might as well run a double elimination bracket. All four person pools is is faking the idea and purpose of even running pools, the idea of which was to give the player, in particular not the best players, a chance to play a lot of people in real tournament matches.

I've said this several times already, glad to see a big TO back me up on it.

They really aren't going to change their minds though :/ What it comes down to is people would rather have 4 person pools than no pools at all even though it makes no sense. I personally would rather have a bracket lol.

I really think they could make bigger pools work though with a different schedule.

 

[CT Chia]

round 1 was golden. i didnt make round 2.

im saying this all to you since im the head brawl to and i haven't done any of the calculations myself at all to figure out the best number of pools yet. it may b pools of 4, may not. though top 2 advancing is fairly miniscule and rough on seeding.

 

[Melomaniacal]

I'll ask again...
Is MK9 a BYOC situation? If so, what console?

 

[mikeray4]

MANNN IDGAF WHO IS IN MY POOL, UR GOnNA LOSE *****!!!

Hi, I'm in your pool

Welcome to hell

 

[CT Chia]

I'll ask again...
Is MK9 a BYOC situation? If so, what console?

No, MK will be a normal set up tournament, just need to bring your controller. I don't know exactly which console it will be on, but I think PS3, don't quote me on it though. Ask dm, he would know.

 

[@TKbreezy]

BYOC=Bring your own controller Chibo.

 

[t3h Icy]

Mango and Lucky won't be winning teams.

 

[z00ted]

Hi, I'm in your pool

Welcome to hell

Hi, I have Razer practice.
I don't lose to Snakes.

Also Nicole sucks.

 

[Roller]

Chibo, are we to assume you are going to be one of the people in charge of making pools then? Including pool sizes/# of people advancing? And that you will be doing your due diligence to look into the PRs of every state attending, factoring in the strength of the state as a whole and whatnot?

If the answer to all these questions is yes, then I'll drop my comments until pools are released.

 

[Merkuri]

4-man pools = just for getting the tournament done faster. No other justification, really. Seeding would be worse for subsequent pools since you only have two tiers to work with instead of three (6-person top 3 getting out vs 4-person top 2 getting out).

Basically four person pools is pointless, you might as well run a double elimination bracket. All four person pools is is faking the idea and purpose of even running pools, the idea of which was to give the player, in particular not the best players, a chance to play a lot of people in real tournament matches.

I'll never forget my pools at Melee FCD, where it was 8 person pools top 4 advance into 8 person pools top 4 advance, etc. It was awesome, I played so many different people, some from other countries, and many way better than me. I only got through to the second round, but I felt I easily got my money worth of matches.

Looking over the schedule for Apex 2012 I see some things that are worrying. Tournament match time for Brawl, for example, will be what? 3PM - 3AM? 12 hours to whittle 300 people to top 8. If the argument is there will be plenty of friendly stations, then why not just make the pools larger and take longer to complete the tournament so lower to mid level players get more matches, especially with better opponents since typically those better opponents will not be playing friendlies anyways (they will still be in the tournament!)

Don't get me wrong, first and foremost the tournament needs to be completed. But don't tell people there will be plenty of friendly setups all weekend long & that you need to run four-person pools in order to finish on time, since they are contradicting statements.

Ideally tournaments should be run in order to give the most tournament match time to as many people as possible, since right off the bat from the first round of pools no matter how you run it you will likely be eliminating half of your entrants (e.g. the majority of your paying customers). If this indeed is the goal or at least a higher priority then simply completing the tournament as fast as possible (e.g. a single elimination bracket) then it is simply a matter of looking at the number of setups available and the number of hours available. The goal is to maximize the average match count (average = # of total matches played/# of entrants).

If it is truly about creating the best experience possible for as many as possible at the event, then maximizing tournament playing time should be important. The stream monsters won't be effected at all if there is four-person or six-person pools, so that isn't even a factor here.

This....so much.

After reading this thread I see a strong sentiment of players telling others to quit complaining about the pool size, and just get better so you won't drown in the pool. That is upsetting and it is really an insulting and out right stupid statement to make. Some people are just bad at the game, and it's basically telling them that if you're bad at the game you shouldn't expect to enjoy the tournament. Everyone is paying the same entry fee, so there is no reason why lower level players to be shunned. The community does not want 4 man pools, is it so much to ask that I get a decent amount of in my initial pool in the case that I don't make it out?

Also Melee finals an entire day after Melee finishes?

I think some major FGC tournaments it is actually done this way, but I don't think it's something that has ever been done at a smash tournament and I think it will break the rythim of the tourney. On the other hand though I don't see how logistically it makes sense given scope of the tourney. It'll be confusing running both melee and brawl on the same day. It may work, it may not. Experimenting isn't always a bad idea, we'll see what happens I guess.