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read the P.S. please
Yeah, I know.
The __I gave out was the obvious__. Ex would be why Captain Falcon was higher than Yoshi? And that the half of the cast that did horribly vs MK were higher than the ones who actaully faired against him pretty well. Nice observation.
Yeah end that **** please
Who in their right mine wouldn't DI correctly from one of her smashes?
Those are killing percentages while fresh. Also when will be able to hit a small target like MK with such ease wit a B/Fair, sweetspoted also?
So now you get to the percentage that actually matter
The rest dosen't matter so their is no need for me to get into that paragraph then....
Miscellaneous not interesting it's especially not what I'm looking forward to reading when I'm trying to figure out why she deserves a high spot on this list. But if you insist....
If it's not groundbreaking why bring it up?? And even if that is the case his ground game and zoning is more than enough for Zelda!
Can a move ever get TOO fresh? Unless she spittin out hundred dollar bills xD then I don't think a move will ever get TOO fresh. On top of that why try to go through a D-Tilt inro a D-Smash when you have so many other options avaliable according to your list?
OK.......so her smashes and tilts are her OoS options yet how did you get into your shield in the first place. By standing there using your Smashes and Tilts. On top of that MK out zones Zelda. All tha stuff Oos Zelda has is nothing when compared to MK options OoS and his ground and aeial zoning is too gud.
Thanks for talking about how MK has the advantage over Zelda!
Why would you go in the air with MK then if you said that he wins in that department?
So above you said his aerial ability is better than Zeldas but here you say that it's not good? Your facts are twisted which one is it?
As in any Matchup one mistake is fatalthnks for stating the obvious....
Thing is when Sweetspoted, MK just slashes away and sweetspoted or not they still rack up damage and have killing potential one way or another. MK>Zelda in the air....
This comes directly from the MK matchup thread
U-tilt through Tornado is too good.
Lulz! Steel does it look like that lol
What you talking about.
If you closely read what he wrote, he's referring to SDI'ing out of the smash, not DI after you get knocked back.
The Dtilt being "too" fresh refers to it having enough knockback to pop him up into the air. Zelda's Dtilt only "locks" up to a certain percentage (after which the opponent pops into the air), however, if the Dtilt is sufficiently decayed, then the lock can continue into higher percentages before the opponent leaves the ground (forcing Zelda to use an ending move).
I can't really argue about MK out zoning Zelda. However, MK has no projectile so he'd have to be in sword range to do anything (which means that if Zelda blocks it, it's possible that Zelda could do something OoS). Plus you have to consider that Zelda's moves still have disjointedness and range (even if they're less then MK) plus she has a projectile (even if it's not that good) so it's not like MK can spend forever trying to get in on Zelda because there's massive risk in not directly pressuring Zelda (due to her high damage output/knockback and MK's light weight).
He's just pointing out that while Zelda does have a few good points against MK, he still has the advantage overall in the matchup. It'd be hard to see his post as credible otherwise.
Again, if you closely read the post, Zelda would not choose to go head to head against MK in the air. However, when it does come down to that (aka MK knocks her into the air), MK still has to be careful because Zelda's aerials cause massive damage and are still pretty fast (Fair and Bair are also disjointed with quite a bit of range).
Once again, if you read what he wrote, he's comparing air mobility (ie how quickly he moves in the air), not air ability (how good his air attacks are).
Mistakes against Zelda are more fatal than usual (due to severe knockback and damage from several moves), which is why he's pointing it out.
I actually agree with you on this (I'm one of the Zelda's who thinks the match up is worse than the 60:40MK in our match up thread). But then again, he's saying that she should stay at the bottom of high because she actually can threaten MK. By no means is he saying that she is great against MK and that she should be a top tier counterpick against him.
It's harder to land sweetspotted kicks on MK than it is someone like DDD. Not HARD. A character that can hold Zelda off with projectile/zair spam (the Links, Olimar, armor/zero suit Samus) is harder to lightning kick than MK is unless you can break through their defenses... in which case, TL and Olimar are still harder to kick because they're more mobile and Oli has Pikmin. MK is about moderate when it comes to landing lightning kicks because he has to be in your face to damage you, so you don't have to worry about approaching to get a kick. His fair, nair, and bair either 1) have enough lag time for Zelda to jump in and fair/bair, and/or 2) lose out in range. His aerial mobility is also subpar, so he's not going to be dodging Zelda's moves in and out, and he's a slow target for Zelda to kick. Yes, MK still wins as far as attacks are concerned because his aerials are good at pressuring Zelda and they still come out very fast, but this does not mean Zelda's aerials are useless, which is exactly what I was saying the whole time.
I bring up the fact that she can reliably answer to SH approaches from the ground because, well, that's something that not everyone can do! It isn't groundbreaking because he doesn't need to rely on that, but nonetheless it is an advantage that Zelda has and it should account for her position on the list. I mean, duh, didn't you ask for reasons as to why she's high on the list? I'm naming them off for you.
Thanks for giving me a reason to think of you as slightly unintelligent.
I wonder who said that already?
What, to be high tier? I don't care if she moves down in the tier, but she is still high tier, and I will stand by that fact. She DOES threaten to wreck his **** at early %s, whether you choose to acknowledge this or not, and she doesn't even need a meteor to make it happen. She does have an answer to pretty much everything he can do. I made sure to imply that her answers are not the best and she might be limited from time to time, but the point is that she does stand a good shot against MK.
...given that no one is DIing out since that was only in training mode.
Cept for the fact that he can't get in through MK's attacks, is virtually helpless against the tornado (aside from caping perfectly if I recall correctly), and is gimped relatively easily. His slightly below average kill power also sucks against MK. ;-;
It's not exactly what I'd call reliable. << lol 65:35 Lucario
BREEEEEEN---HA!
To you btw. No point. A zelda Main that thinks the matchup is fair in the very least. Her options aren't as great vs MK as you think. You(Zelda) will be able to punish bad mistakes very bad at that. While MK can punish a multitude of attacks. Being able to kill MK with an aerial is nice but what are the chances of hitting with it? Anyways your perception about this matchup is ****ed up. You will NEED TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF THOUSAND TIMES to understand how badly the advantage is with MK.
i agree i just finished a zelda mainer and i had trouble with her she had quite the upper hand most of the time.
how so? DK is mulched by nado and lacks air game he carries more power than mk just needs speed which mk has
DK is powerful, fast, and has good range.
wow, honestly? great contribution, they should let you into the backroom
Not sure if it'd be worth using Sheik in this fight (since last I heard it's pretty rough). I think that Sheiks will use Sheik, Zeldas would just stay Zelda, and Sheik/Zelda would skip Sheik and just use Zelda.
