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quoted with truth. that's also how i feel about the tier list.
Or you can understand that Roy is a bad character. Worse than what most people think.
Due to my practice with both Peach and Link... I've done this match up several times (on both ends of the match-up) but mainly on Link's side. And one of the main things Peach has going AGAINST her is the fact that other characters can spam better than she can. So on a big enough stage (ironic huh?) For fighting turnips, Link's Nair *****. It owns every projectile in the game but like, lasers and bombs. It also goes really well through most of her attacks. And Dthrow-->Uair works fairly well w/o DI and you MIGHT be able to get a Fair on her if she DOES DI. So I'm not sure if that warrants a 5-5, but it might.
I agree w/ this opinion. I've stomped a few Jiggz players that are probably better than me because I played Zelda. It's bad because Jigglypuff's approach is nearly neutralized by Zelda's aerials. Zelda can also kill Jiggz w/ her Bair/Fair at about 80% (maybe a tad higher). At 0%, she can sometimes land two CONSECUTIVE SWEET-SPOTTED TOES leading to about 40% in no time at all. Oh, and Jiggz can't Utilt-->Rest Zelda, so that kill combo is completely out. I'm pretty sure Zelda has a 7 on Jiggz.
no i didn't know that. BTW I'm leaving the thread, so don't spam it with posts by me. Now Gooday Sir/Madams!
too good..tc agrees
You can say that most match-ups aren't that bad if you say "as long as you play it right." The Jiggly/Zelda match requires a lot more control, spacing, and overall skill on the Jiggly player's part than Zelda's. Zelda can land 4, MAYBE 5 toes and have it kill 99% of the time no matter what stage or direction the hit is in. She can short hop double aerial those toes, so she can basically spam them the whole match, get a few lucky hits and win. Jigglypuff can't hardly rest her ever (unless they're dumb enough to forward smash, and that only ever works once or twice), and though Zelda can be semi-aerial combo'd, if you try to go for more than two you usually get a toe to the face. You have to play hit and run the whole match, because Zelda is too floaty stay up-ons the whole game, and this style of play is way in favor of Zelda because her hits do twice as much damage and have much more knockback. This table assumes two players of equal skill, and I think that to win this match-up, the Jigglypuff player would have to be much more skilled. Hence why she is at such a disadvantage.
You can also say that most matchups are bad when you needlessly jump into ****. I know the matchup very well playing from both sides of 2 of my mains, and have played some of the best Zeldas from Jiggs' end. I used to think it was in Zelda's favor too until I realized you can just b-air camp like that for a safe way of getting hits in. Often single hit b-air hit and run yes, but when Zelda has a VERY hard time getting hits herself, and those hits usually aren't kicks, it's not Zelda's match to win.
But in this case it would just end up being a huge stalemate. I'm pretty sure Zelda's Bair outranges Jiggz's Bair, and at the very least it comes even. In this case, both characters are afraid of approaching from fear of getting attacked. You said Jiggz can empty SH, well I guess so can Zelda. I know Jiggz has WAY better aerial mobility, but a good Zelda can SH double Bair over and over again until she gets back out of range or into position or whatever. Zelda is pretty good at pressuring shields with this unless the opponent jumps away. And if the opponent jumps TOWARDS Zelda and ends up passing her, she can just change direction and use her Fair instead.
QFT
Recently, Watty took me to Corneria, and I switched from Jiggs to Link and won. I personally feel Link has the advantage in that match up, as well.
Link and Ylink own GW as well. With that shield and lightweight it's too easy to combo GW and with leet GW's evasion skills he won't stand against projectiles for long. Also, link dthrow 80% autokill is nasty as well, along with other stuff.
Link's projectiles beats Samus' since repeat boomerangs beat missles and Link can also throw a bomb and boomerang pretty close to each other (boomerang then bomb or bomb then boomerang etc.). In addition, these projectiles are much more flexible since the boomerang can be thrown in different angles and the bomb is thrown in an arc. Since Link beats Samus' projectile game, Samus cannot camp which is bad since she relies on people coming to her. It is known that her approach game is weak in the first place so approaching at all is not very good, but it is even worse that she is a big target and has a hard time evading Link's projectiles. Link's projectiles also allow for him to edgeguard Samus better than most characters by destroying her bombs.
Link's Nair > Samus's projectiles.
I've also mained G&W as a co-main for a while now, but I find G&W's counters to be Marth and Peach. Luigi is indeed tough, but I don't consider him a counter. Pikachu's not hard but not easy either...
I actually find Link to be one of my easiest matchups with G&W. For one thing, G&W combos Link MUCH better than Link combos G&W. Also, G&W isn't supposed to use normal evasion options (shield, roll, spot dodge) against Link's projectiles. He should be trying to move to a higher level (or lower level) than the projectiles, and use his own disjointed attacks and light shield to block them if necessary. G&W is faster in general than Link, too. Ylink definitely doesn't own G&W either, it's a pretty even matchup to me.
Samus is basically a better version of Link, they can do a lot of the same things to each other. Samus should NOT be trying to outspam Link, just find a way over it or plow through it with ftilts, jabs, and WD out of shield. Samus comes out on top in the long run, I'd say this is a 7-3 matchup.
Because of d-smash, turnips and the fact that fced aerials are retardedly hard to punish when you're the IC. peach is very good at splitting ic and ****** nana.
Haha sooo true. Shiek counters Pika more than Marth definitely. Shiek is basically the reason why Pika is unplayable.You know what's funny is how Pikachu is 2 against sheik and 1 against marth, that made me lol.
So true, so true.
