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It makes them concrete when i back them up with facts and logical reasoning. Where as you just kinda posted **** with nothing behind it at all.
On a unrelated sidenote.
Didn't you already see? I'm staying out of this for the most part, as I have little to no valid say or Melee or Brawl, really.
I'd believe what you're saying if I hadnt seen reflex vs m2k, or Seibrik vs lambchops. Isn't that supposed to be high level? Isnt that more effective than nyquil at putting me to sleep?
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Okay, i'm sorry Ginger, your cool i wont bash you...I apologize for being an *** to u
High level play is really much the same as low level play, just alot more spot dodging...trust me i knowI'd believe what you're saying if I hadnt seen reflex vs m2k, or Seibrik vs lambchops. Isn't that supposed to be high level? Isnt that more effective than nyquil at putting me to sleep?
Look, Brawl is a terribly imbalanced fighter, that goes further beyond giving the attacker less advantages. It gives an imbalanced advantage towards playing defensively. Which does not make for a good fighter, nor does it make it more thoughtful because you have to think before you attack. It means that because I am almost never at an advantage when I attack, I shouldn't attack. The smart thing to do is not to think before you attack, its to not do it in the first place, unless your MK or snake where you're either too fast or your moves go through everything.
Good example of the opposite and how it makes for a good fighting game is Guilty Gear. Generally speaking, you want to attack. If you try to stay back and camp, you lose all of your tension, which is essential really to be effective with most characters. Staying back and spamming projectiles like gunflame and stun edge just doesnt work. It forces a fight, and a very deep and thoughtful one because you are forced to choose between this and that, think about whether they are gonna do this or that.
Not, "wait for them to come and start spamming down dodge to d smash with ROB, or down dodge to grab to insta-**** with Dedede."
Look, I dont want to name any names here, but half of the people i've seen get good at brawl were absolutely abysmal at melee, and it wasn't really a matter of it just wasn't their game. They were just downright dumb players, with no mindgames. Now its their time to shine with Brawl apparently.
No thought required.
And I suppose you can argue that since I don't play the game so I don't have as good an idea about the metagame as you all (even though I did play seriously up until about May, and I still play with and follow some of the top players.) I don't need that sort of personal support to my arguments (why should I need more than knowledge on the fundamentals to point out the fundamental flaws?) You can just ask people like Reflex, ChillinDude, Overswarm, etc...
Dumb dumb game.
It doesn't mean I hate or like you guys any less or more. It just means I think you play a bad fighting game.
Heck, I play melee, that's not a very good fighting game either.
Thats why I'm slowly losing myself to guilty gear
(even though I still suck
I have nothing against you as a person or as a player, so it was a bit shocking to see you take such offense to a macro that was. . .to say the least, ridiculous.
No wonder I was atrocious at Brawl.
You were all pretty terrible at it too. I know this was a while ago, because this made me chuckle.
Have you heard of the Puppet in Naruto 4? There's a reason why he's stupid and banned.
I'd believe what you're saying if I hadnt seen reflex vs m2k, or Seibrik vs lambchops. Isn't that supposed to be high level? Isnt that more effective than nyquil at putting me to sleep?
Look, Brawl is a terribly imbalanced fighter, that goes further beyond giving the attacker less advantages. It gives an imbalanced advantage towards playing defensively. Which does not make for a good fighter, nor does it make it more thoughtful because you have to think before you attack. It means that because I am almost never at an advantage when I attack, I shouldn't attack. The smart thing to do is not to think before you attack, its to not do it in the first place, unless your MK or snake where you're either too fast or your moves go through everything.
Good example of the opposite and how it makes for a good fighting game is Guilty Gear. Generally speaking, you want to attack. If you try to stay back and camp, you lose all of your tension, which is essential really to be effective with most characters. Staying back and spamming projectiles like gunflame and stun edge just doesnt work. It forces a fight, and a very deep and thoughtful one because you are forced to choose between this and that, think about whether they are gonna do this or that.
Not, "wait for them to come and start spamming down dodge to d smash with ROB, or down dodge to grab to insta-**** with Dedede."
Look, I dont want to name any names here, but half of the people i've seen get good at brawl were absolutely abysmal at melee, and it wasn't really a matter of it just wasn't their game. They were just downright dumb players, with no mindgames. Now its their time to shine with Brawl apparently.
No thought required.
And I suppose you can argue that since I don't play the game so I don't have as good an idea about the metagame as you all (even though I did play seriously up until about May, and I still play with and follow some of the top players.) I don't need that sort of personal support to my arguments (why should I need more than knowledge on the fundamentals to point out the fundamental flaws?) You can just ask people like Reflex, ChillinDude, Overswarm, etc...
Dumb dumb game.
It doesn't mean I hate or like you guys any less or more. It just means I think you play a bad fighting game.
Heck, I play melee, that's not a very good fighting game either.
Thats why I'm slowly losing myself to guilty gear
(even though I still suck
I wish you spotdodged more vs me, it'd be even easier for me to win.
LOL, Ginger is awesome, so his name is Sir Grabby McChainThrow...I'll be sure to remember that, i don't dislike anyone in the community, i just like having fun, i just hate it when people's ego gets outrageous so i act like mine is so much bigger, like saying I AM THE BEST!!! LOLI have nothing against you as a person or as a player, so it was a bit shocking to see you take such offense to a macro that was. . .to say the least, ridiculous.
On a slightly related note, you should put "Grabby's" full name, Sir Grabby McChainThrow deserves only the UTMOST respect!
Just so no one else gets offended at my being silly, I love Seibrik, I mean no disrespect, I just think it's a funnier name.
No wonder I was atrocious at Brawl.
I'll just play D3 and i bet you'll spot dodge at least 50 times per minute...Guaranteed
like i said alot of spot dodging watch a match with snake vs D3 and count D3's and snakes spot dodges you'll b amazed
its Matt
Which is why i lose that matchup vs d3, watch lambchops and he rarely spotdodges, since hes a better snake then i am....I'll just play D3 and i bet you'll spot dodge at least 50 times per minute...Guaranteed
Okay, was just curious
Carry on!
isn't it a free win anyways, you are the best after all
I never based a entire community off of 5 people, i addressed the specific people lol...
Never said or implied i was the best, please learn to read in the near future.
seriously, shut up will you? and learn how to spell dammit!
again your stupidity shows. melee has flaws. too many to be exact. like a completely unbalanced character roster, glicthes, etc. it wasn't supposed to be that way in the FREAKIN 1ST PLACE!!!
what part of it wasn't supposed to be that way don't you get? sakurai made the biggest mistake of his life, making melee the way it is. if he hadn't rushed it, it would probably be more balanced than it is now. no glitches, no wavedashes, etc. and knowing sakurai's casual nature, it wouldve been just like brawl.
you and equi are the only 2 on this thread to have any sense whatsoever. thank you. yes both games are amazing, but some (if not most) people just have to bash one of them just cause it wasn't made the way they were hoping for. its like thats all they can do in their life.Brawl and Melee are both amazing games, I could easily see how both games readily have tournaments near your area, Tink.
equi, look man, you're wasting your time with these nobodies. they won't make any sense, just as long as they get to flame you or mess with you. they think melee is better, let them. melee won't last forever. if they don't like brawl, then either stick with melee and quit bashing it, or go make themeselves another smash bros. game if they want it the way they want it. just ignore them. they won't ever get it. brawl is here and theres nothin they can do about it.
I didn't say that u implied that, i'm saying IMO that you are learn to read between the lines
Please please please go to a 3rd strike tournament and try to spam fireballs and fierces with chun li and see where it gets you. It's such high risk camping, forget forcing yourself into a wall like that, you're giving them free meter if you start spamming the same attack. (lol parry). Not only that, you can eventually corner them. Not the same in brawl. Lemee just grab the ledge and be invincible for a season.
Fairly high risk? Some characters have such a hard time getting in on Chun Li, theres no way they can get in without putting risk on themselves.Agreed.
The "camping" in games like third is still fairly high risk camping, unlike brawl where punishment is minimized unless you're a character that has stupid stuff like chaingrabs that you can't escape out of regardless of your DI.
By the way, in regards to the hitstun necessity
Flash Metroid is also not a japanese player, making him insta-fail in the grand scheme of things.
Daigo vs John Choi in super turbo
top level hugos and qs beast on chun lis and **** too
I agree with tech skill allowing for a better game, which is why melee is superior to brawl. No one doubts this. I still prefer Brawl though. But realize that there are follow ups in brawl to. Because of the lack of hitstun its simply harder to perform, for each hit you have to predict the opponent which i believe is harder to pull off then a guarenteed combo.
