Adjusting the Damage Ratio to 1.1 for Balance

[Cherry64]

You said that even the slowest Melee match is just as fast if not faster than the fastest Brawl match.

So, no.

So much this. next time you think you posted something, go and re-read it.

 

[Ripple]

hey guys me again, don't know why I'm so into this idea. guess its cause I'm too optimistic.

I'll just give you a little run down on some characters position on a 1.1 tier list. I'll only use 5 tiers though to make it simplistic.

remember this is over 3 days of testing but most of it will make sense if you try it out. the characters are in no particular order in the tiers

Top: Snake, MK, Marth
High: Wolf, Fox, lucario, DK, wario, ICS, Diddy, Luigi, peach,
mid: D3, Ike, falco, Sheik, ROB, Yoshi,
low: ganon zelda ness, lucas
bad: link jiggs, mario, samus, falcon, bowser

anyone not listed I'm not able to test properly because I don't know how to play them right.

enjoy

 

[bleyva]

Top: Snake, MK, Marth
High: Wolf, Fox, lucario, DK, wario, ICS, Diddy, Luigi, peach,
mid: D3, Ike, falco, Sheik, ROB, Yoshi,
low: ganon zelda ness, lucas
bad: link jiggs, mario, samus, falcon, bowser

wow, how does ganon get such a huge boost from 1.1? 0.o

also surprised to see mario and samus are still apparently garbage.

 

[Flutter NiTE]

Idk about Lucario being so high... I think right below Diddy or IC's would be the best fit.

 

[Spelt]

There's no way MK is #2 when really the only nerf he gets is tornado, and it's still a completely viable tool to use.

 

[ぱみゅ]

He's 2 because Snake is much, much better...

 

[Goldenadept]

whoo wolf becomes something worthwhile without all the cg's

too bad this isnt how brawl is normally.

 

[Flutter NiTE]

too bad this isnt how brawl is normally.

.....YET!!!!!! (hopefully, please BBR, do the **** research before you reject it)

 

[Jonas]

too bad this isnt how brawl is normally.

Kinda like how Brawl isn't normally 3 stocks, no items, 8 minutes, Team attack

 

[AwesomeObliterator]

Every now and then I check these boards to see whats going down. Seems like something is worth chattin' bout so here goes.

Do you think that 1.1 creates a more condensed tier list? These balances won't mean jack if the good become gdlk and the ****ty become ****tier.

Also how do you feel the MK match-up changes for most characters? Sure he gets K.O.'d faster but so does everyone else. Also his opponents are going to wind up off-stage at a greater rate, so wouldn't this put a greater emphasis on his gimping game, especially since his attacks have more knockback?

I do believe that this removes any stock-tanking potential MK has, because there is no way he is ever going to survive past 80% in this mode. So what if he's ungimpable, he's a freaking paperweight now.

Finally has anyone tested the effects of momentum stalling in this mode? Is bucket-braking still awesome?

 

[Zatchiel]

You said that even the slowest Melee match is just as fast if not faster than the fastest Brawl match.

So, no.

It's opinionated, so why not.

I tried the 1.1 thing in a few matches with a friend (), i can honestly say this takes MK down a few notches.

 

[swordgard]

Why 1.1 and not any other ratio though? I am very curious as the reasonning why 1.1 is that much better than 1.2 or 0.9 .

If you can prove its definitely more competitive, I might try it.

 

[Kiru]

Idk about Lucario being so high... I think right below Diddy or IC's would be the best fit.

There's no way MK is #2 when really the only nerf he gets is tornado, and it's still a completely viable tool to use.

He's 2 because Snake is much, much better...

"the characters are in no particular order in the tiers"

Please actually read the post. He said that within the tiers there is no order. That means snake is not better than MK, Lucario is not particulaly so high in his tier, and ganon is still probs lowest for the tier.

 

[Meru.]

hey guys me again, don't know why I'm so into this idea. guess its cause I'm too optimistic.

I'll just give you a little run down on some characters position on a 1.1 tier list. I'll only use 5 tiers though to make it simplistic.

remember this is over 3 days of testing but most of it will make sense if you try it out. the characters are in no particular order in the tiers

Top: Snake, MK, Marth
High: Wolf, Fox, lucario, DK, wario, ICS, Diddy, Luigi, peach,
mid: D3, Ike, falco, Sheik, ROB, Yoshi,
low: ganon zelda ness, lucas
bad: link jiggs, mario, samus, falcon, bowser

anyone not listed I'm not able to test properly because I don't know how to play them right.

enjoy

I disagree with:

Marth. I don't see why he's suddenly a tier better than for example Diddy.
Falco. He cant chaingrab but he's still a pain in the ***, and he still has his annoying lasers/dair/jab/dthrow even though it cant chain.
Ness. Mid imo.
Ganon. Switch with Jiggs or something.

Everything else seems agreeable.

 

[Ripple]

Why 1.1 and not any other ratio though? I am very curious as the reasonning why 1.1 is that much better than 1.2 or 0.9 .

If you can prove its definitely more competitive, I might try it.

anythingwith lower knockback (.9 DR) means the game will become much more campy. but that alone doesn't make it uncompetitive, I know. but you have to think about this; why not camp? they can't kill you until 200% they'll have a chance to mess up. and that is fine but then apply it to this; why not PLANK? they can't kill you until 200% ON THE LEDGE! if I have a stock lead and am on the ledge as MK I have so much room for error it isn't even funny. I wouldn't care if I got hit with snake's grenade because it wouldn't kill me. this would cause games to run even LONGER than they already do. time out would be common place and prove to much of a hassle to finish a tournament on time.

with anything above 1.1 you literally think the game is a joke. snake's up-tilt kills at 70% on HIMSELF. luigi kills at 50%. DK at 40%. and some characters such as falco and pikachu become useless, which is uncompetitive to completely favor one type of character. IMO

1.1 is just right. campyness can still happen. chaingrabs still works.no character becomes useless and many characters become more viable.

don't be too harsh on my argument, I' a terrible debater

 

[Flutter NiTE]

Kindof wish we could get 1.05 DR. lol

 

[Sharky]

Edit: @Cherry, not really. The fastest pace Brawl has ever been played is the slowest recorded potential seen in Melee.

this man has obviously never seen teh spammerer play melee.

 

[bigman40]

this man has obviously never seen teh spammerer play melee.

Or this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNaAUJZz5k

 

[•Col•]

It's opinionated, so why not.

Opinionated...? Wait, you're not saying that match I linked to could still be considered by someone to be faster than the fastest Brawl match... Right? Because if you are, I just have one thing to say....

.......... Really?............... Really? ................................... REALLY?

 

[Sharky]

meh, ignore the troll colaya he's not worth it lol

 

[GimR]

Lucario seems pretty scary in this mode

 

[Dark 3nergy]

thats what ive been saying lol

1.1 doesnt really seem to nerf lucario, since he can still kill early and die early like everyone else, and the stock mechanics along with aura power are still the same so even if he got gimped he'll be able to kill even earlier

 

[Renegade TX2000]

lol, "and they said lucario was going to be worse".

btw I looked at ripples tier list, theres alot of things inaccurate but i'll get to that later.

 

[comboking]

Lucario is beast. Combos Ike like crazy. Videos coming soon.

Ren this is the best idea I have heard in a long time.

 

[Flutter NiTE]

Lucario's Side B Chain Grab / attack got wrecked, that is the only flaw i see in Lucario in 1.1

 

[EPsilon933]

Lucario is beast. Combos Ike like crazy. Videos coming soon.

Ren this is the best idea I have heard in a long time.

I haven't started splitting any of the videos yet. Just tell me which ones you like from the compressed videos I've sent you.

 

[Dark 3nergy]

its not really a reliable CG to begin with even in 1.0 you can break out of it pretty easily[even when up against a wall]

 

[Wretched]

guys
Lets do a brawl tournament with 1.1s and stop speculating. It would be nicer to see what characters actually work, rather than us just wondering which characters are worse.
Remember when we thought zelda was good because of her fireballs and fmash?
yeah
that didn't turn out well
go

 

[comboking]

I haven't started splitting any of the videos yet. Just tell me which ones you like from the compressed videos I've sent you.

By soon I meant a day or more lol. Dang Lucarios range help you so much.

 

[Professor :3]

it doesn't matter cuz most of u all suck and will never be top players even with mk

 

[Wretched]

it doesn't matter cuz most of u all suck and will never be top players even with mk

Professor :3
Do you have a case study, guy?

 

[Ripple]

btw i looked at ripples tier list, theres alot of things inaccurate but i'll get to that later.

you're inaccurate!

 

[bigman40]

Can someone explain how MK would not be first with the DR at 1.1?

 

[Ripple]

Can someone explain how MK would not be first with the DR at 1.1?

tornado is not as abusable. and 1.1 gives a slightly bigger buff to characters that have fast strong moves like snake, marth, and DK rather than characters that have fast weak moves like MK and pikachu

 

[Zatchiel]

this man has obviously never seen teh spammerer play melee.

I have not.

Or this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTNaAUJZz5k

I have not. That was an incredible match. Stalling in that game was some of the best i've ever seen.

Opinionated...? Wait, you're not saying that match I linked to could still be considered by someone to be faster than the fastest Brawl match... Right? Because if you are, I just have one thing to say....

.......... Really?............... Really? ................................... REALLY?

Really.

Ignore my opinion if you're attempting to take it as a harsh opposition towards Brawl.

meh, ignore the troll colaya he's not worth it lol

^^
This, even though i wasn't really intentionally trolling.

its not really a reliable CG to begin with even in 1.0 you can break out of it pretty easily[even when up against a wall]

This. Lucario's Side+B CG isn't too reliable, especially when your %'s are too high to begin with.
People with Nairs like Peach can actually be threatening to even doing this CG, let alone at 1.1

guys
Lets do a brawl tournament with 1.1s and stop speculating. It would be nicer to see what characters actually work, rather than us just wondering which characters are worse.
Remember when we thought zelda was good because of her fireballs and fmash?

Are you implying we should play WiFi?

 

[Wretched]

No.
Where did I even give a hint to that? wifi is bad.
Tournaments IRL guys.

 

[GimR]

this would make DIing out of MK's F-air even easier I presume

 

[Clutch]

I've been gone over a year and this idea was floating around back then lol

 

[overgamer]

That sounds interessting. I'm totally for it.

 

[Tmacc]

It's definately an interesting idea, but really, I'm skeptical about how much of a chance people are going to give it.
It would drastically change the game, almost to the point where we would be completely starting over. I don't think people are going to accept that change very readily.