Oh Snap
Smash Ace
I'm pretty sure you won't be able to sweet the ledge going upwards if you're that close to it. D:
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A Guide to Farore's Wind - Updated Teleport-Cancelling Section
- Thread starter Luthien
- Start date
Villi
Smash Lord
Hai Luthien, if you're still updating this I don't think this post deserved it's own thread. But it's possible to get consistent ledge warps in the air on some stages by using visual cues on platforms and backgrounds.
For some examples:
Yoshi's Island: Stand on the first white tooth on either side of the center platform. Do a full hop and FW diagonally toward the other ledge.
Halberd: Stand on right at the point where the platform tapers toward the edge and full hop and FW toward the other edge.
It would be neat to find all the various ledge warping starting points on the ground and air.
For some examples:
Yoshi's Island: Stand on the first white tooth on either side of the center platform. Do a full hop and FW diagonally toward the other ledge.
Halberd: Stand on right at the point where the platform tapers toward the edge and full hop and FW toward the other edge.
It would be neat to find all the various ledge warping starting points on the ground and air.
I'm kinda confused, are you saying that we could use Farore's to warp around on platforms enabling us to cancel the lag? This might actually be very useful.....i'm going to look into it. On stages like BF and YI, this might make Zelda very fast and give us a decent approach option,
RoyalBlood
Smash Ace
About Farore's priority, it ignores Samus' F-smash so either Samus F-smash has crap priority or Farore's has high one o_o All of this BEFORE disappeareance??? >_< grammar..........
S2
Smash Lord
I think Villi is referring to making a list of consistent ledge-warps, so you can just look up all the best ledge-warping strats for any given stage.
That's actually a good idea. I dunno how many players use the technique regularly (I shamefully never mastered it), but that might be a good encourager for people who shy away from the technique because they don't want to accidentally SD.
That's actually a good idea. I dunno how many players use the technique regularly (I shamefully never mastered it), but that might be a good encourager for people who shy away from the technique because they don't want to accidentally SD.
GodAtHand
Smash Lord
I use visual place markers to ledgewarp semi-consistently. I use the middle of FD. The stick in the background of BF. and the fence in SV.
I used to ledgewarp a lot until i accidently killed myself... now I do it only regularly.
I used to ledgewarp a lot until i accidently killed myself... now I do it only regularly.
-spAzn-
Smash Journeyman
Didn't bother reading all of the pages cuz this got quite the views last time I saw it. Good job Luth hehe.
And um I like ledge stealing/ledge warping/teleport cancelling... XD Wtf is it called nowadays haha. Anyway got some pretty sweet kills from it actually, I mean I try to do it whenever I see a chance to or just cuz I can. If I die um oops my fault for showing off lol. All in good fun really. Trying to master it on every stage... slowly
And um I like ledge stealing/ledge warping/teleport cancelling... XD Wtf is it called nowadays haha. Anyway got some pretty sweet kills from it actually, I mean I try to do it whenever I see a chance to or just cuz I can. If I die um oops my fault for showing off lol. All in good fun really. Trying to master it on every stage... slowly
Luthien
Smash Ace
Working on it.
"Just a little behind the stick/sundial in the background of BF, teleport East or West (teleport towards whichever ledge is farther away from you)."
That makes it a lot easier for me, and for others who read what I put into the guide.
Also, if anything in the guide is incorrect, PLEASE let me know. I don't want to be providing misinformation for anyone. Thanks.
Edit @ -spAzn-
This guide, once I get around to editig it, will just call it teleport-cancelling from here on out. I think that's the most appropriate name for it.
I promise I'll edit this soon.
All right. This one's confusing me a little bit, so is it possible if you could get an image up (I'm a bit of a visual person... ^^')
Again, picture? The fact that I don't understand might have more to do with my headache, but still some clarification would be great so I don't confuse anybody when I put these in the guide. I'm putting them in anyway for now, but I'll edit them later if it can become clearer.
Feel free to report any of the ones you see, I'll put them in. I can't say I'm going to be working on the guide very much anymore, because I'm giving Brawl a bit of a break, but if anyone sees any let me know.
Thanks, these are the ones I usually use. However, it would help in the future if you could be a little more specific. For example, instead of saying "and the fence in SV," you could say where by the fence you should be to clarify. Example:GodAtHand said:
"Just a little behind the stick/sundial in the background of BF, teleport East or West (teleport towards whichever ledge is farther away from you)."
That makes it a lot easier for me, and for others who read what I put into the guide.
Also, if anything in the guide is incorrect, PLEASE let me know. I don't want to be providing misinformation for anyone. Thanks.
Edit @ -spAzn-
This guide, once I get around to editig it, will just call it teleport-cancelling from here on out. I think that's the most appropriate name for it.
I promise I'll edit this soon.
Villi
Smash Lord
Here are the ones I was talking about:
Yoshi's Island is actually over the red tooth, not the white one. It's a little inconsistent, but you won't SD if you miss.
Here's Battlefield
That spot on the top is where you would come off the spawning platform. You can TC from there or do a full hop from the center of the platform.
Same deal for Halberd. Sorry for the crappy pic. :/
You can also do it on Lylat, but I haven't figured out why I suicide sometimes. When the ship isn't moving, you'll die. I think also if it's tilting downward, you also die. But if the ship is tilting so you have to teleport up hill, then you can TC there. The fortunate thing about Lylat is that the teleport spot is the line in the center of the stage so you can really choose either edge to teleport on depending on which way the ship is tilting.
Here's Battlefield
That spot on the top is where you would come off the spawning platform. You can TC from there or do a full hop from the center of the platform.
Same deal for Halberd. Sorry for the crappy pic. :/
You can also do it on Lylat, but I haven't figured out why I suicide sometimes. When the ship isn't moving, you'll die. I think also if it's tilting downward, you also die. But if the ship is tilting so you have to teleport up hill, then you can TC there. The fortunate thing about Lylat is that the teleport spot is the line in the center of the stage so you can really choose either edge to teleport on depending on which way the ship is tilting.
Luthien
Smash Ace
Great pictures, thank-you! I'll update these to the guide right away.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Theres a thread about this and no one linked me ?! Shame on you ppl.
I dont do it on yoshis. It still feels inconsistent. I'd do it from the same spot more than once and it SDs at times.
I dont do it on yoshis. It still feels inconsistent. I'd do it from the same spot more than once and it SDs at times.
Villi
Smash Lord
O.O I thought you would definitely know about this thread! I was wondering why you didn't give any input though.
Why are you SDing? It shouldn't be happening since you're teleporting so far from the ledge. By full-hoppinh, you cancel FW by teleporting diagonally to the other side of the platform. If you miss, you either land on the platform or free fall back onto the stage. If your finger slips, you can just grab the ledge.
Why are you SDing? It shouldn't be happening since you're teleporting so far from the ledge. By full-hoppinh, you cancel FW by teleporting diagonally to the other side of the platform. If you miss, you either land on the platform or free fall back onto the stage. If your finger slips, you can just grab the ledge.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I've done this since melee. I dont go around looking for threads. Luthien came into my thread once talking about it but i never checked this thread before. The reason Yoshis is inconsistent is because of the hills. It makes the straight line jagged and sometimes u'll either
1. Not cancel
2. Cancel
3. Fall off
Its not practical to me being its even more precise than other stage and even so still doesnt work 100%. I'll do it on any other stage even frigate.
Villi
Smash Lord
Just before writing this, I TC'd 10 times in a row without missing once. The ground doesn't move -- there's no reason for it to be inconsistent except for your spacing. Try looking at the crayon markings on the ground.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
and u hold straight left?
Villi
Smash Lord
Yeah, you know on that one block you should be standing on there's a little orange strip between the pink. I'm just standing on the brown line that's close to the center.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
Alright then. I still hate that stage for zelda though.
Bandit
Smash Lord
I second the hate. Normal activity is risky there much less tricksy activity.
Villi
Smash Lord
:-/ I like the stage. The Yoshi ending music makes me happy. And other things, too... I just don't like the wall, but I avoid touching it like my life depends on it.
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I dont even have that music anymore. High ceiling means harder to get vertical kos. The wall too. And the hill........UGH
Shiros
Smash Rookie
I had no idea how many different directions FW could go in. 40 is a lot. >_> Thanks for posting this.
Luthien
Smash Ace
X_X Yeah, I was sure I mentioned it to you before. I asked permission to put the link to your teleport cancelling video in here and you didn't respond, so I sort of... put it in here anyway and credited you. ^^'
I've never had any problems on Yoshi's. At first I assumed that the ledges would give me problems, but they never have (any more than other stages have, anyway). Weird.
By the way, mind if I put your video against Rykoshet's Ike in here with that amazing Teleport-Cancel KO?
Stop saying zelda (and sheik) can't wall hug, they can.
You have to do angles that are greater than 45 degrees in relationship to the wall. You can use this to land on stage in situations where you are being ledge hogged and your recovery attack won't get you back or as an alternative to vertical recoveries when you are too close to the stage.
You have to do angles that are greater than 45 degrees in relationship to the wall. You can use this to land on stage in situations where you are being ledge hogged and your recovery attack won't get you back or as an alternative to vertical recoveries when you are too close to the stage.
Luthien
Smash Ace
tonyrulz92
Smash Apprentice
I think you should also put up this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4w8Rvo7I0&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr4w8Rvo7I0&feature=channel_page
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I believe Luthien already seen this.....>_>
Villi
Smash Lord
Things like that happen in Groovytown, man. They just happen.
Villi
Smash Lord
Is this posted in the OP idunno. A quick-n-dirty way to l2space the ledge cancel on a stage you're not familiar with is to teeter on the ledge, do a foxtrot-roll, and then roll again. Voila, FW cancel spacing.
Note that it's important to cancel your foxtrot with a roll or else you'll probably stop short of the ledge.
Note that it's important to cancel your foxtrot with a roll or else you'll probably stop short of the ledge.
Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
HAHAHA, that actually works!
<3333 thanks Villi
<3333 thanks Villi
Luthien
Smash Ace
Pardon the n00bness, but... foxtrot-roll? -_-;
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Brinzy
Godfather of the Crimean Mafia
Basically, get Zelda to stand at an edge, do a dash (but just flick the controller instead of continuing to run - that's a foxtrot), and about halfway into Zelda's dash animation, do a roll in that direction. Then roll in that direction again. Now Farore's Wind in the direction you came from.
Voila!
Voila!
Luthien
Smash Ace
I'll be darned. I was scared it was as simple as it sounded. Thanks. I'll put it in the OP. I suppose this would be a safer way to find out in the middle of a match than teetering on the ledge, FWing into the stage, taking a step towards the ledge and FWing back.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
It is a little easier, but both methods would be kinda hard to pull off in an actual match. It's better just to memorize the locations you need to stand before using FW. You wouldn't want to try it in a match without a little practice anyway.
mikekleman
Smash Cadet
excelent observations!!! i noticed this a bit ago as well. while off the ledge, if your opponent tries to hog, fw can punish with a well deserved stage spike lol =P it is also useful when on the ground. they never expect you to hit if its their first time seeing it. it has some decent knockback as well. the only bad thing about htis is that they can grab you out of it. so what you have to do is learn the spacing to get right behind them. if they think it is in front of them, they will try to grab and you and you can punish with a down smash
mikekleman
Smash Cadet
the best thing is when you get a kill with fw! its so funny. youre like "woosh, boom" and there like "wtf!?" O_o
NinjaLink
Smash Master
I'm prolly the only person who killed with the FW explosion.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
Yeah, killing with FW is impossible
SinkingHigher
Smash Lord
It's quite easy, but if you're letting your opponent get to around 200% well something not right.
GKInfinity
Smash Champion
Haha, okay. Point taken