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Either a shoulder jump or special. Technically A+B smash if you want to do that Frisbee/Usmash combo but it isn't very relevant at all.
Saw this and just had to post this, whether hyperbole or not.
Thinkaman
Your link's broken-add "https://smashboards.c" to the beginning
Thanks, that's what I get for trying to do this on mobile.
The main thing I disagree with fundamentally is the presence of an "SS" tier list. It's one of the reasons I like the latest 4BR tier list because I think many people are too obsessed with drawing lines in the sand for a game that isn't as individually disproportionate, even in the bottom tiers. I can buy an argument that Sheik and Diddy are the best in the game but based off of results and matchups I could also buy an argument for Cloud, Bayonetta and maybe even Rosalina on a good day. If there is a "best character" I don't believe they have anything that makes them a whole cut above several of their runner ups.
I use L jump for easier FH Can deployment (the safest way to set up as you can land with a fadeback FAir and cover options with Can), FH Clay Pigeon (Clay Pigeon to FH Clay Pigeon UAir is a kill confirm at 110ish), and FH DAir off of Can confirms to kill with FSmash at mid percents if they dont tech.
How can anyone forget the seventh person to beat ZeRo in a tournament set in Smash 4? You should be glad that you did that after Nairo, Tyrant, Mr. R, ESAM, Mr. Concon and Vinnie. The first four don't count? Okay then, make it third.I should consider myself lucky a player like yourself knows who I am. How proud I am to be known by "MistressRemilia".
Thinkaman
. Jab, NAir, and Can are good options that can cover both sides, but you have to turn around for Jab and BReverse for Can. If you have the percent lead, you can combo OoS Can to an aerial. Suicide Can is a potent kill option, as we saw during game 1 VS Larry as it forces 50/50s with DI
& : Strongly disagree with the two of them being in their own tier. & : I think he has them too high. I certainly don't think it's a coincidence that he has them here after struggling against Larry Lurr and Ally historically. I really don't see these characters being an entire tier above (I actually flip the tiers for these characters on my list). : I actually sort of agree with Corrin's placement here despite the results not quite being on that level yet. I just believe in the character's attributes.: I don't disagree with Jiggs being in her own tier. I think she really is bad enough to justify it.
[]. I feel like these four are close and a tic above the other top tiers. a tier above . It shows how the meta favors heavy hitters who can make comebacks.
Virtually every single player has both Fox and Mario somewhere between 6-8.
First of all, I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. We're talking about opinions, not facts.
and in the 6-8 range is not totally unusual. But I don't think you'd find many other players who put them a tier above and right now. above ... but hey, opinions.
needs to be switched with , also should go to A- because I don't see any reason why he would be in the placement he is in and I know everyone is different on this, but shouldn't be closer together? I know they have a few small differences but are they big enough to split them this far apart, or is it cause more people just use Marth? Other than some nit picking in the A- I would say that the rest fine.
) with the most realistic ability to get better. Puff isn't a bad character, just an underwhelming one, and should her moves magically get damage and/or speed buffs she'd be better than the rest of the characters in this tier. She really is the definition of Undertuned - a functional character that fails because she just isn't strong enough.
& : I think it's fine if he also adds Bayonetta and Cloud, Those four seem to stand out a bit more than the rest of top tier. Maybe change the name though, they're note quite SS level. & : I think Fox at #6 is quite reasonable, actually. Mario at #8 is not that bad either, many put him at #6, personally I'd put him at #9-10 though.: #12 is a bit too high. I don't think she's better than Ryu or Lucina. #14 would be more reasonable, though I'm not sure whether she's better than Pikachu either.: I used to think that Jigglypuff was the worst character in the game. Then I started playing her (for fun) and I also looked at some of her matchups. She has a surprisingly decent amount of even MUs (not many winning though). I don't think she's the worst character in the game anymore, and certainly not a tier below the rest.
:A bit too high(should be like 19th). Doesn't really have the results to justify 13th and the character is way too based on his theory rather then practice. Attributes and kit wise aside from dragon lunge fair and nair he's a pretty mediocre character and the rest of the tools corrin has range from decent to good but nothing very special, and corrins out of shield options are kinda poor.I think corrin is gonna get worse when people stop approaching them. toon link should be swapped with the pits. Matchup wise toon links matchups are rather poor to be placed where he is. Losing -3 to cloud, along with a ton of losing matchups against a ton of characters that are common makes placing him where he is a bit too generous.:A few spots too low. Mewtwo is definitely top 10 and is a very solid character. Top 4 neutral and amazing advantage states along with being able to kill from neutral are very powerful traits to have. Although his diddy and cloud mus are pretty poor the rest of his spread is extremely good.and : no disagreements to them being top 2but for me sheik is definitely better then diddy mostly based on mus as sheik doesn't lose to anyone besides maybeand. Also she hardly has any exploitable holes like mario and clouds bad frontal options, zss's poor ground game,clouds poor ground game and bad disadvantage state. The only real flaw she seems to have is rage but even then because she always controls the pace of the match its really hard to get her into a bad spot where she would die because of it.
Each of them at least has something undertuned. Ganon actually has to be respected if he's near you. Very liable to getting camped out, but it's done because he can be scary. DDD has ledge traps and never dies. But he's trash at killing. Pac-Man has a lot, tbh. Ledge traps and harassment with item play. Even with his gameplan beaten by shield in many cases, I wouldn't put him in bottom with the rest.
Zelda is, supposedly, a wall character that's designed to force you to play at a range where you have to respect her, as Kicks/Up-B/pretty much anything she has that isn't Din's Fire are capable of doing a lot of damage, Knockback, or both is sweespotted. Additionally, Hitting her shield is fairly threatening, as Farore's Wind can start killing extremely early and a Frame 5 Down smash with a good KB and angle on it is just about as threatening. However, if you manage to get past Zelda's defences, she's relatively helpless, as she dies early and can't break out of combos easily. Her only real option in disadvantage is Warping to another part of the stage.
No one asked me, but in Smash 4 I put Special on Y and never looked back. (It helped that, as a traditional Jiggs main, I had always used X to jump because to me jumping was distinctly a "horizontal" action, better suited to a horizontal roll of the thumb.)
Yeah, Jiggs is just not that bad. I've won locals with her--doesn't mean much, but like, I have, you know?When Jigglypuff is brought up, I am reminded of this old post by
I'm not sure if he still holds by it, but while the character does have significant weaknesses, her moves do what they're supposed to do and she has, for the most part, the physics and movement she needs (I've wondered if a slightly greater fastfall speed would benefit her game some). She just lacks sufficient reward for getting in (which can be a huge chore)
Uh, DH has OoS options to the exact extent that everyone has some "options", but they aren't the envy of anyone in the cast except maybe Palutena or something.also i just wanna say that DH indeed has OoS options
Ganon would just like to be able to punch through more stuff, and have more incentive for the call-outs he actually can make. Smash 4 Ganon isn't quite as structurally limited as people seem to think.
When I watch Sol play Mac, I find myself getting lost in fantasy about how amazing Little Mac secretly must be. When I watched T's Link or Fatality's Falcon, I can't help but look past the character's flaws and see their pure, unrestricted gameplay underneath.
Zelda is grab2win
Just to comment on the bold, but while regular Rest is irrelevant at low percents, Rage Rest becomes relevant at low percents. Of course, that assumes Puff lives past 100% when Rage affects Rest very noticeably, but it's possible (as seen here). It's just not frequent.
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Zelda... wins?
She's a grappler/combo-er who can't force actions from the opponent and sucks at approaching. Echoing what has been said, Dtilt is a good option for starting combos and she can get high reward off grabs including a ding-dong. She can also combo from Nair and jab>DA or Farow's at certain %s. Her other upsides are great recovery and offstage gimping, Nayru's is actually a good interruption tool with intangibility, long duration and it reflects, and the ability to kill very early by outplaying the opponent.
While it wouldn't change how Rest is a risk at low percents, I wonder if Jigglypuff would be affected by a Rest that becomes less risky at higher percents. Something like, Rest loses one frame of recovery time for every percent of damage Jigglypuff takes. Being the lightest character in the game means Jigglypuff would need to be on point to ever fully take advantage of it, but it would reduce the risk of the move feeling "not worth it" if Jigglypuff is too far-gone.
wants to attend Greninja Saga if he gets Funded. Not going to Lie, Edge is really, really good. He beat Ranai and Earth at the last big Japanese tournament and won the whole thing. I'd love to see him come.Oooh...Burn.
In replies:https://mobile.twitter.com/2Scoops_Nicko/status/855284460757041152
Nicko's matchup chart for Shulk is here, apparently it's his "final" one.
Would Be pretty interested in seeing a ryu matchup chart from you
Well, the catch is that can is by far the most exotic and complex projectile. (and has lots of grab/throw synergy) It makes sense that the rest of the character is relatively "ordinary" and centered around this key unique trait.
