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Aww, you qt booli.
Wait, when was this? 2GG just uploaded the latest MSM, did Leo go to both of these?WNF Spring 2.5 (55 Entrants) (SoCal)
1st: MKLeo
2nd: Abadango
3rd: Locus
4th: Javi
I'd be shocked id he opted to go Falco Mr. R in his pool over mk.
Yeah, he's been staying in SoCal for a week to attend Nairo Saga. 2GG hasn't uploaded WNF yet, since they only just uploaded MSM.
It's an S Tier event so probably. The only other S Tier events this year have been Genesis 4 and Civil War.
https://smash.gg/tournament/2ggc-nairo-saga/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/97563/365857
https://smash.gg/tournament/2ggc-nairo-saga/events/wii-u-singles/brackets?per_page=20&filter={"phaseId":97563,"id":365849}&page=1
https://smash.gg/tournament/2ggc-nairo-saga/events/wii-u-singles/brackets?per_page=20&filter={"phaseId":97563,"id":365845}&page=1
https://smash.gg/tournament/2ggc-nairo-saga/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/97563/365847
https://smash.gg/tournament/2ggc-nairo-saga/events/wii-u-doubles/brackets/104053/382312
If you know a Lucas main attending or are one yourself, including secondaries, feel free to drop a comment.
Falco is not terrible though..... >_>
Then who is?
I'm not in a position to answer that.
is projected to fight Ally in Winner's Semis. Will be an interesting set given the Mario-Peach MU.is second seed, replacing NAKAT (who sadly can't attend the event). Regi is now third seed. Both Regi and Nicko are projected to play against each in Semis, so I wonder how much Regi has improved in the MU since his lost to Dufuax/Clear in Hero to ZeRo.is now third. Remzi is 4th. Could be a toss up between the two of who advances.is now third seed; Captain L is 4th. I'll find it funny if Captain L decides to bring out his against Mekos like he did against falln at Battle of BC 2. It's not a bad MU for Puff, but I would think Pikachu does much better.as 4th seed. Doesn't Fox do really well against Samus or something?
I thought he was dropped because he was not like Melee Falco.
I like you. You got jokes.
vs Rideae , Zeta in third vs Child , Squerk in third vs RiotLettuce , Headshot in third vs Ksev , Diabeo in third vs Myran , Chez in third vs SuperGirlKels , RFang in third vs Static Manny , Waldo in third vs 8BitMan , BlitzKinG in third vs ZD , Wormynugget in third vs Xaltis , JaK in third vs Ryuga , Ewok41 in third vs Ling Ling , Sharpy in third vs Day , Bloodcross in third vs Ryo , Salt One in third vs DarkShad , Slaps in third vs Sonido , Nuke in third vs DeluxeMenu , Lightshad in third vs Lima , Cagt in third vs Zephyr , Duffo in third vs DJ Jack , Ookami in third vs Saj , Morpheus in third vs Wrath , Mute Ace in third vs RoguePenguin , BootEKing in third (he's the only other person I recognize, there's probably someone better in here) vs WonderBread , Kogarasuma in third vs NickRiddle , EMPEROR Eevee in third vs Sol , Poltergust in third vs Puppeh , dekillsage in third vs Blank , Bobby Wasabi in third vs Seagull Joe , afmbot in third vs Tachyon , Koolaid in third vs Cashmere , Ozone in third vs K9Sbruce , P2P with Gibus in third
KoolaidCEO 2017 pools have dropped. At 609 entrants, it's the third largest event of this PGR season, and also the last. Three make it out.
If you think this is big, just wait until we get to EvoA1: Dabuz
A2: Mr. R
A3: Marss
A4: dyr
A5: Tweek
B1: ESAM
B2: Rich Brown
B3: KEN
B4: MKLeo
B5: Larry Lurr
C1: Ranai
C2: ScAtt
C3: Falln
C4: ANTi
C5: MVD
C6: 6WX
D1: Locus
D2: Tyrant
D3: Zinoto
D4: Nairo
D5: Kameme
D6: Ally
E1: Abadango
E2: Mr. E
E3: Komorikiri
E4: Captain Zack
E5: Salem
F1: ZeRo
F2: Fatality
F3: Javi
F4: Raito
F5: Dath
and Xane are probably ahead of of Kite in F3. from South Florida.
placed 5th.
CTL | DLC - 17th place
Imo, Ike has been on the biggest decline out of the whole cast.
Bear in mind that Ryo was never the one and only player to rep Ike (not to take away from Ryo dont get me wrong, hes still one of the best) there are other Ikes (not sure how active they are now though, particularly the ones that got the best placings in 2016).
True, but one thing Ike has that makes his boxing game a tiny bit better than Cloud & Corrin is that he has jab mixups...granted his jab isn't very safe either, but its a good jab nonetheless.
Up throw f-air works from 0% to kill percent, up throw uair is a true combo at kill percents if opponent DIs up or toward Ike, and d-throw footstool d-air at 0% is true depending on the character and DI (like Bayo, Cloud, and Sheik)
's slow but he has good safety hitting shields. Jab 2 is -4 on shield drop, Ftilt -6 but it has good range, Dtilt -2, Nair +5/+2 (strong/weak), Fair +3/+4, Bair +0/+1, Zair +2/+3, Boomerang 0., I'm a strait shooter: he was designed to be one of the best, same goes for Bayo. I'm not saying nerf them or pay to win. But just look at his stats: 10th best run speed, 14th best air speed without limit, 17 in weight at 100, frame 4 jump squat, same as Sheik's, 4 jab, 9 DA that kills at 130%ish, 6 Utilt, 5-15 Nair that hits disjointed all around him, 7 Uair that juggles with his crazy mobility and JS, an autocancel Dair that's as big as Ike's, blade beam isn't great but stops planking safely. With a freaking sword that rivals Ike's. All this without limit, which forces approaches and improves his stats so he's faster in the air than Yoshi and gives crazy kill moves. How is that balanced? I know his recovery can be gimped hard but with that air speed and sword he can manage.
-2 / * (dtilt) -2 / * (dtilt) -3 / * (dtilt) -2 / * (dtilt tipper) -3 / * (dtilt) -5 / * (dtilt) or -6 (fsmash-d) or -12 / 9 (ftilt) +0 to +2 (YELLOW fsmash; red and purple aren't bad either) or -5 (ftilt) or -2 (jab2) +0 / * (dtilt) -1 (dtilt) -2 (dtilt) or -4 (jab2) -3 / * (ftilt) or -2 / * (dtilt) -2 / * (dtilt sourspot) or or +1 (dtilt sweetspot) or -3 (jab sweetspot) -4 / * (dtilt) or +1 (fsmash) -6 to -3 (ftilt) or -5 to -2 / * (dtilt) -2 / * (dtilt) , and note that jab fire is the least-terrible escape option for jab on shield -4 (dtilt) -6 (dash attack) or -4 (dsmash reverse) or +6 / * (repeat dtilt) +1 / * (dtilt) +1 (usmash) or -9 (dtilt) -6 / * (dtilt) or -6 / alot (heel slide flip kick) -7 (luma dtilt) or -3 (luma jab1/2) or -13 (luma fsmash) -5 / * (ftilt) -3 / * (dtilt light) or -1 / * (utilt light) or -6 (ftilt light) -6 / * (dtilt) or -7 / * (ftilt) -4 (utilt) or -8 / * (ftilt) -7 (dtilt) or -17 / * (flamethrower) -6 / 20 (dtilt) or -8 / 19 (f-smash) -7 (utilt) or -8 (ftilt) or -4 and -3 (jab1/2) -6 / * (ftilt) or -6 (dtilt) or -1 and -4 (jab1/2) or +0 / * (utilt!) -9 / * (ftilt) or -7 (dsmash) +2 / * (jab) or -7 / * (dtilt) -1 (fsmash) or -9 (dtilt) or -8 and -10 (jab1/2) -6 (fsmash) or -13 / 8 (ftilt) or -1 (jab1) -8 / * (dtilt) or -9 (ftilt) -8 / * (dtilt) or -12 (ftilt) -10 (ftilt) -10 (ftilt) or -3 and -4 (jab1/2) -10 (ftilt) or -10 (super sheet) or -14 (fsmash) -8 (dtilt beam no arte) -9 / * (ftilt) or -5 / * (dtilt) or -2 (jab1/2) -11 (ftilt) or -21 (tipper f-smash) -11 (ftilt) or -19 / 10 (fsmash) -8 (utilt) or -4 (jab1) or -11 (ftilt angled) +0 (dash attack) and not much else -6 (dsmash reverse) and not much else -10 / 11 (dtilt) or -2 and -4 (jab1/2) -15 / 12 (ftilt) or -5 (jab2) -12 (ftilt) or -14 (fsmash) -12 (fsmash) or -8 (dtilt) or -6 and -5 (jab1/2) -7 (jab) or... you know what, just jab. -1 (dtilt) or -8 (dash attack) or... okay look, there's nothing good here either, but shouldn't you be floating? WHAT ARE THESE "SAFE BUTTONS" YOU SPEAK OF???
And this has been discussed repeatedly. Batwithin is good but it's not without flaws. Salem uses it to perfection like a high level player does with any tool thief character has. You wouldn't call batwithin amazing if he had spammed it against elegant or ally it would get him killed.
Good stuff. Don't forgetGround attack comparison safety: (Jabs and other moves outranged by common OoS options like standing grab omitted at my discretion)
I listed the frame disadvantage on shield drop.
Additionally, if the move hits over multiple frames, I listed the duration--16+ frames is enough to essentially beat any spotdodge. I also put a * if the move has a duration <= 28 frames, which means it can beat or nullify most spotdodges regardless of duration. Finally, keep in mind that most jabs and smashes can be timed to counter spotdodges.
If I listed multiple options, it's probably a bad thing--they don't have a good, safe attack, and I'm having to list the next best compromises available.
Sorted by me into super subjective ground safety ranking on how I feel about the overall safety top to bottom: (this mostly depends on range, but also is affected by startup time and other factors)
Didn't bother with Miis, but their buttons tend to be pretty awful.
Edit: Please don't argue about my subjective ordering, that's not the point. Additionally, while this is a helpful lens, try to not jumpsquat to conclusions and quickly fixate on the singular value of this one aspect of character evaluation. For perspective just keep in mind that Ganon is not a top-50% character.
's Usmash is +4 on shield drop.
Looked at Corrin and threw up in my mouth a little.Ground attack comparison safety: (Jabs and other moves outranged by common OoS options like standing grab omitted at my discretion)
I listed the frame disadvantage on shield drop.
Additionally, if the move hits over multiple frames, I listed the duration--16+ frames is enough to essentially beat any spotdodge. I also put a * if the move has a duration <= 28 frames, which means it can beat or nullify most spotdodges regardless of duration. Finally, keep in mind that most jabs and smashes can be timed to counter spotdodges.
If I listed multiple options, it's probably a bad thing--they don't have a good, safe attack, and I'm having to list the next best compromises available.
Sorted by me into super subjective ground safety ranking on how I feel about the overall safety top to bottom: (this mostly depends on range, but also is affected by startup time and other factors)
Didn't bother with Miis, but their buttons tend to be pretty awful.
Edit: Please don't argue about my subjective ordering, that's not the point. Additionally, while this is a helpful lens, try to not jumpsquat to conclusions and quickly fixate on the singular value of this one aspect of character evaluation. For perspective just keep in mind that Ganon is not a top-50% character.
How exactly did you get these numbers? I know there's a calculator that can be downloaded from the KuroganeHammer site that includes shield safety but I was never able to fully understand it. Namely the hitlag modifier. And as you mentioned in your post, those numbers are just for options after a shield drop. So they're actually less favourable for the attacker when considering most grabs, up specials, upsmashes, certain aerials after jumping OoS and likely aerials after dropping through a soft platform.Ground attack comparison safety: (Jabs and other moves outranged by common OoS options like standing grab omitted at my discretion)
I listed the frame disadvantage on shield drop.
Additionally, if the move hits over multiple frames, I listed the duration--16+ frames is enough to essentially beat any spotdodge. I also put a * if the move has a duration <= 28 frames, which means it can beat or nullify most spotdodges regardless of duration. Finally, keep in mind that most jabs and smashes can be timed to counter spotdodges.
If I listed multiple options, it's probably a bad thing--they don't have a good, safe attack, and I'm having to list the next best compromises available.
Sorted by me into super subjective ground safety ranking on how I feel about the overall safety top to bottom: (this mostly depends on range, but also is affected by startup time and other factors)
Didn't bother with Miis, but their buttons tend to be pretty awful.
Edit: Please don't argue about my subjective ordering, that's not the point. Additionally, while this is a helpful lens, try to not jumpsquat to conclusions and quickly fixate on the singular value of this one aspect of character evaluation. For perspective just keep in mind that Ganon is not a top-50% character.
