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His neutral is overall good, and the decreased landing lag on fair is nice. The problem is, the up air nerf means he no longer gets so much mileage off of winning neutral.
#DIaway
could finish off the top 20. It's probably Mewtwo. There may be some other candidates I'm forgetting.
I tested this with DI.
im still surprised that people think that the pits are better than corrin. there is no reason for that.Screw McDonald's wifi.
I won't get the patch for a few hours yet.
As hilarious at is for me to do this without even playing the damn game, from what I've read and watched we're looking at this sort of arrangement. Unordered within groups:
Top 3:
Top 10:
Top 20:
Still too fresh to say who'll end up best in the game but I'm sure it'll be one of Cloud, Bayo and Rosa. New Bayo nerfs keep getting discovered which doesn't bode well.
Mario and Ness are interchangeable. Remember that Ness' Sheik MU was nearly as bad as his Rosa MU and that should be a lot better now. On the other hand if Rosa rises in usage, Ness is screwed. Mario doesn't really benefit from this patch since he already had the best or 2nd best Sheik MU and I'm not aware of particular problems against ZSS, fairly sure Rosa is his worst. And I never thought he was that good anyway. But as I said, swap him with Ness if you want.
Sonic should cleanly re-enter the top 10 with his worst MUs getting significantly easier.
Pika may experience a rise if Sheik mains are looking to jump ship to similar characters, he's the most similar character to pre-patch Sheik.
The Pits are loving the Sheik nerfs and I can't imagine they're complaining about the ZSS nerfs either. Cloud being so good might cause negative comparisons.
Greninja cements his position in top 20. None of the characters at his general power level (Tink, Pits, Lucario, Falcon) were buffed, while Corrin was nerfed hard. Sheik MU is likely still negative but actually doable. Out of Pika, Luke and Gren, I cannot call best Pokemon.
Roll the Pits into one character and any of
I'll post revised thoughts on this after I actually get the patch LOL.
KO set-ups > unsafe/hard to land moves that require set-ups
His Smashes are still too hard to hit with for any buffs to affect his viability.
Why are you worried about DLC characters?
I would agree with you, but the up aerial combos weren't unbalanced. You know why?
It's not too bad of a nerf but it does take options away, even if the infinite was hella degenerate
but are still threats and will likely become more popular as a result. The MU got a bit worse. MU but I'd imagine it's still pretty similar.
It's heel slide 2, the second kick. Her aerial heel slide is still safe. Pink Fresh has not used one grounded heel slide to pull off his combo earlier today against Nairo.
By like 2-3 units but it doesn't matter since they're usually charged when thrown out anyway.
And that would be the third reason I mentioned.
What exactly changed about her Fair this time?
I think you might be overselling how serious Corrin's changes were.Screw McDonald's wifi.
I won't get the patch for a few hours yet.
As hilarious at is for me to do this without even playing the damn game, from what I've read and watched we're looking at this sort of arrangement. Unordered within groups:
Top 3:
Top 10:
Top 20:
Still too fresh to say who'll end up best in the game but I'm sure it'll be one of Cloud, Bayo and Rosa. New Bayo nerfs keep getting discovered which doesn't bode well.
Mario and Ness are interchangeable. Remember that Ness' Sheik MU was nearly as bad as his Rosa MU and that should be a lot better now. On the other hand if Rosa rises in usage, Ness is screwed. Mario doesn't really benefit from this patch since he already had the best or 2nd best Sheik MU and I'm not aware of particular problems against ZSS, fairly sure Rosa is his worst. And I never thought he was that good anyway. But as I said, swap him with Ness if you want.
Sonic should cleanly re-enter the top 10 with his worst MUs getting significantly easier.
Pika may experience a rise if Sheik mains are looking to jump ship to similar characters, he's the most similar character to pre-patch Sheik.
The Pits are loving the Sheik nerfs and I can't imagine they're complaining about the ZSS nerfs either. Cloud being so good might cause negative comparisons.
Greninja cements his position in top 20. None of the characters at his general power level (Tink, Pits, Lucario, Falcon) were buffed, while Corrin was nerfed hard. Sheik MU is likely still negative but actually doable. Out of Pika, Luke and Gren, I cannot call best Pokemon.
Roll the Pits into one character and any of
I'll post revised thoughts on this after I actually get the patch LOL.
9 frames of endlag gone ok that's a heavy buff
As I said, unordered. Group the Pits together and whack Corrin in top 20, he could well be better than them.
Fair was -8 before so it should be -5 now.
Really? You're making it sound like those combos were braindead. Which they weren't. And plus it wasn't easy at all to pull off consistently, so you would still see many of MK's top-tier qualities pre-patch. If you watch Leo, Tyrant and Ito play, are they taking every stock off with an up aerial combo? No, because it's a 7-part combo that was prone to flubbs and DI mix-ups, and sometimes wouldn't even KO if you weren't high enough when it ended.
That's still pretty great though! It's almost the same as N-Air while having a better hitbox and dealing more damage if it hits. The start-up is the only problem with it now.
Yoshi's a solid mid tier at worst so his lack of buffs is understandable. Same could be said about why Megaman and Wario have been barely touched either.
You're not wrong, but I think this is different to what we've seen before.
