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Not like arguing or anything, but outside of Low tier or top tier direct attacks with nerfs and buffs, when it comes to mid tiers it honestly feels like they just throw darts at a dart board to see which character they should toy around with next.
It's amazing that people are too stupid to take this into account.
Yeah uh, I hate to burst the bubble here Thinkaman but this is pretty much the best way of putting it. Cloud's adjustments are annoying at worst, unimportant at best.
Gotta love your worst MU becoming more manageable (Sheik), a losing MU possibly no longer being a losing MU (MK), and an already "losing but honestly not that badly" MU becoming easier (ZSS/Bayo? Never really knew what the Bayo MU was before not enough time to figure it out).
Yeah Ike and Cloud got pretty big net improvements solely through metagame changes. It's actually kinda cool that Ike is still getting buffed so to speak =P
Probably a small gain, but she has enough bad MUs + difficulty in starting off that it won't be much.
I feel like their approach is to pick roughly 5-6 characters to focus on per patch, nerfing high tiers and buffing presumed low tiers. Ike's buffs were probably triggered by the fact that, for whatever reason, Japan still thinks Ike is awful. Still, I'm pretty pleased by how the patches have been handled. This game just lost a whole lot of jank in a single update and I think people will go back to being more optimistic about the future of this game again. For example, as a Wii Fit and Villager player, some of their worst match ups just got a whole lot more manageable and I couldn't be happier.
Rosa beats Bayo, though. Luna is one of the few things that can break you out of combos.
In general I think they target a third to half the cast at a time for balance changes. I can't remember a patch where they dealt with everyone at once (1.0.4 got the closest). Most of the characters changed in this patch were untouched in the last.
Unless the nerfs to zss, sheik and mk were enough to make her win those matchups, she still has a problem with cloud and even/losing matchups against a handful of other characters. I think she'll stay around the same place she's always been.
His nerfs to Limit Break are pretty significant, if you ask me, especially aerial Finishing Touch being neutered meaning spontaneously dying at 40% from a good read will no longer be a thing. The nerfs to his Smash attacks will also have some impact, I'm sure.
They are? I guess from Doubles I'd agree but Limit Cross Slash is still absolutely broken and like.....IMO nothing's really different. You're just not going to die at 40 to a silly hard read but given how much more reliable LB CS is maybe this will make more people realize just how stupid the move is. What I DO think they did is fixed up what Cloud was doing dumb in the DOUBLES metagame which is awesome, although I hear the change only applies to Aerial Finishing Touch so Finishing Touch on Platforms might be a Doubles thing. Anyone wanna test this?
Hate to break it to you man, but Finishing Touch stopped being a factor when Cloud's realized that Limit Side-B was so much more reliable for kills.
Did anyone ever use Dsmash or Fsmash? They seemed pretty unsafe to me.
Rosalina is designed to stuff approaches. Bayonetta already isn't the best at approaching, and Rosalina can stop Bullet climax easily. A well-played Rosalina can stop Bayonetta from realistically getting in.
It has BEGUN!
Eh, the charge nerf is .6 seconds based on testing, so I don't see the ratio going down significantly. Factoring in the Limit you build from taking damage + being heavy I think it'll be a bit less but not enough to really factor in.
If nerfing one move ruined a character, then that character was a bad one to begin with.Yet Street Fighter V doesn't have a percent mechanic that affects the combo potential of moves. These two fighting games have so many differences at the fundamental level that you simply can't draw the comparison.
Tri Knight it goes to show that nerfing one move can be enough to ruin a character.
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mains wanna theorize how the Sheik MU will be now? Disagree. What counts as an execution barrier at year one of a fighting game is automatic and "easy" by year three.
also got roll nerfs. Hm. What were his 4 bad MUs? Sheik, ZSS, ...? Sheik can still edgeguard the crap outta him, ZSS's edgeguarding looks like it just got stronger with the side-B buff... Ike and Shulk outrange him in the air which puts a kink in his usual gameplan... Marth now goes even with him at least...
Roll nerfs? That's....weird but not largely concerning for me. Fairly understandable given his neutral and counterpoke game.
Shaya
1.1.3 Marth vs. Cloud was a silly matchup. It's been a lot better since 1.1.4.
Im fully convinced that this is one the best patches we've ever gotten.Can someone tell me what the Mewtwo buffs are?
The thought of an official competitively viable Mewtwo is exciting as ****!
The one who made the shields as they currently are are also real good. As was last patch that buffed Mewtwo, but am exited to see the changes!
To be fair, he was basically killing Doubles and you could pretty much argue he was as bad as Brawl MK in Doubles. Where it was almost borderline "you must have at least one Cloud/Brawl MK in your Doubles Team, two of them are most likely optimal".
Guess they're trying to discourage Limit Camping by using rolls. Those are PRETTY BAD LOL. Thank god for the neutral game.
I def agree, he was REALLY stupid in Dubz and this is for the absolute best. It was getting kind of cancer-y. 20FF was becoming a reality.
By how much were his rolls nerfed?
Took 2 frames off of the invincibility at the end. Corrin got the same treatment. Except Corrin's roll already had 1 less frame of invincibility than Cloud's, now it only has a total of 10 I frames. And they added a frame to the total roll time, up from 29 to 30. So 4 frames start up, 10 I Frames, 16 Cooldown frames.
Yeah her DAir got nerfed from completely stupid to really good. It's pretty much the only safe to use falling DAir off stage assuming you're still slightly above the actual stage.
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Except that Sheik is still easily top 10 and likely top 5.
Well, we do know one thing.Zelda's roll was basically buffed up to be the same as Cloud's was nerfed down to
Well, if she is top five, she is possibly around 3-5, and if top 10, possibly 6-7. She's still got a lot going for her, but the nerfs to her have really, really damaged her and turned some 6:4 MUs into even MUs, and makes 7:3 MUs more tolerable.
