3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[T4ylor]

@ SamuraiPanda

For D3 "- Uair does not spike when the last hit does not connect anymore"

I take it this is referring to fast falling his U air and dragging the opponents down with him? Well, if it is, then it's still in. Did it repeatedly on randoms in For Glory.

"Can confirm 2% hits will reflect gordos." -Jabejazz

And this should be added to the OP. All Jabs and Charizard's Neutral B are now reflecting Gordos.

 

[Thinkaman]

Sheik's needles now have more cooldown and inflicts 9% damage instead of 11%

Confirmed FALSE.

Remember, they do less damage at range.

 

[GoldWindRequiem]

Can anyone list some notable Wario changes besides his aerial momentum and his grab release?

 

[Elessar]

Would like to know what these were in 1.0.3 before adding to OP

These are the final notes so far, tested and confirmed.

NERFS:
* Toss Canceling has been completely removed.
* Hitstun can't be canceled anymore due to the removal of Toss Canceling (found by FSK).
* Fsmash 1st hit now doesn't kill unless it connects with the tip hitbox (My own findings in training on a CPU with up to 999% dmg).
* The rocket jump or boost jump has been changed. Now instead of launching into the air it makes you get on stage standing up with no lag (my own findings). Calling this ZLedge Boost.

BUFFS:
* Link's grab has been Fixed. Before the grab range was shorter than the visual representation of the Clawshot; now it seems to be the same (my own findings and confirmed by LordFluffy).
* Fsmash 1st & 2nd are a true combo up to 150% without any spacing required. Improved from v 1.0.3 where the second smash would whiff at 100% (My own findings).
* Fsmash 1st hit with tipper hitbox uncharged kills at 120% and fully charged at 90%, buffed from previous uncharged kill at 110% in v. 1.0.3 (My own findings from the middle of FD on Mario).

Hope this is enough? This is all that we have been able to confirm so far with the help of Thinkaman who confirmed that gale and grab speed hasn't been changed.

 

[Thinkaman]

Bouncing Fish nerf once again confirmed.

 

[The Real Gamer]

@ Thinkaman

Hey can you verify that D Rush damage output has been nerfed from 15% to 11% so Samurai can add it to the OP?

That's the only change we're aware of at the moment.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

While I'm not sure what exactly was changed with Sheik's needles in 1.0.4, Kirby's needles are the same across versions. They both do 11%, have the same charging time, same endlag, and the same needle distance.

 

[Berserker.]

According to Aerodrome

Buster's "damage received" multiplier is now x1.13 down from x1.2

Basically, Shulk now only receives ~13% more damage in buster

 

[ROOOOY!]

Lots of things being thrown around about Sonic. Usmash buff in KB, dash attack end lag greater (mostly perpetuated by me lol). I know @ Thinkaman was testing, anything actually confirmed for Sonic?

edit : seen the thing about usmash being dumb, disregard this part

 

[LordFluffy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rocZalM5F0M&feature=youtu.be
Video Proof of the nerf of Little mac's aerial Side B. Left 3DS is 1.0.3 Right is 1.0.4

 

[Elessar]

I just tested each of these, and found zero support for all of these. Every single one of these moves had the exact same behavior and timings on both games.

Could you please test the speed of Link's dash attack and dtilt? There are rumors of them being slightly faster. @ LordFluffy has already tested them and found that they are the same. I just want to double confirmation. Thanks.

 

[Thinkaman]

Rosalina faster recall and shorter luma shot confirmed.

Could you please test the speed of Link's dash attack and dtilt? There are rumors of them being slightly faster. @ LordFluffy has already tested them and found that they are the same. I just want to double confirmation. Thanks.

I did those.

 

[M@v]

If Dacus being removed has indeed been confirmed, it should probably be added to the OP. Thats a really big deal since it affects several characters.

 

[Thinkaman]

Rosalina d-smash cooldown increase CONFIRMED.

 

[Elessar]

Rosalina faster recall and shorter luma shot confirmed.

I did those.

Awesome, thanks. Just making sure.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

According to Aerodrome

Buster's "damage received" multiplier is now x1.13 down from x1.4

Basically, Shulk now only receives ~13% more damage in buster

Confirmed. Same goes for Kirby - in 1.0.3, he took 30% from a Bob-omb, in 1.0.4, he takes 28%.

 

[Thinkaman]

Rosalina grab cooldown increase CONFIRMED

Rosaline f-smash startup increase DECONFIRMED

 

[kamus_aran]

I'm sorry but may i ask what is cooldown?

 

[Froggy]

How do you download the patch? I can't seem to do it

 

[DarkKiru]

According to Aerodrome

Buster's "damage received" multiplier is now x1.13 down from x1.4

Basically, Shulk now only receives ~13% more damage in buster

I hate to be that guy but, wasn't buster 20% more damage (X1.2) pre-patch, not 1.4?

Could've sworn 1.4 was the damage increase Shulk got (as in, he did 1.4X more damage), not him taking X1.4 more damage

 

[Berserker.]

I hate to be that guy but, wasn't buster 20% more damage (X1.2) pre-patch, not 1.4?

Could've sworn 1.4 was the damage increase Shulk got (as in, he did 1.4X more damage)

Whoops. My mistake. 1.4x was the multiplier for damage output

 

[Thinkaman]

Little Mac jab confirmed, doing KO punch next. I won't be test most % changes, they are easy to verify.

 

[T4ylor]

How do you download the patch? I can't seem to do it

Go to the Eshop and type Smash into the search bar. Then you can see and download the update.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Rosalina faster recall and shorter luma shot confirmed.

I did those.

Kirby also has a shorter Luma Shot. He has a slightly lower cooldown before he can use Luma Shot again, too.

 

[NairWizard]

I'm sorry but may i ask what is cooldown?

The number of frames before you can take another action after the hitbox on the current one vanishes. So Ike uses f-smash then he has a cooldown period where there's no hitbox but he's not doing anything.

 

[Yikarur]

I confirm: KO Punch is unchanged.

 

[kamus_aran]

Any changes to Palutena's usmash, dash attack, jab, spot dodge and fair?

I see some people discuss about those on this topic: http://smashboards.com/threads/1-0-...uld-you-like-to-see-in-palutena.377346/page-2

Thanks in advance

 

[Conda]

Oh, by the way, I have 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 right next to each other, similar to Thinkaman. It's how I managed to get the Kirby info so fast. I can help too, if it's needed.

Pac Man's tether grab speed/recovery - same or changed?

Falco dair speed - same or unchanged?

 

[IvanTehFennec]

Anyone tried Fox yet? Can't seem to find any.

 

[Thinkaman]

KO Punch is unchanged.

 

[SonicZeroX]

Man if Nintendo suddenly decides to release patch notes in a few days...

Anyways can you verify that Diddy's popgun cancel and Megaman's rush cancel are indeed gone.

 

[ZHMT]

Can someone please check landing lag and cooldown on tilts for Jiggs? We only have been able to test damage, range, and knockback of moves. Everything looks the same but its worth a double check with the people with both versions in front of them.

 

[Thinkaman]

Marth d-throw is unchanged.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Whoops. My mistake. 1.4x was the multiplier for damage output

which was my mistake but doesnt matter moar shulk buffs anyway

 

[NairWizard]

Adding Palutena f-smash and f-air to list of possible changes, but only in terms of visual effect. Please let other change testing take priority.

 

[Thinkaman]

Fully charged Bowser f-smash does 32% in both versions.

 

[Game And Guy]

Again, can someone check the forever forgotten Game & Watch? Aside from the Thunder thing.

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Pac Man's tether grab speed/recovery - same or changed?

Falco dair speed - same or unchanged?

Pac Man's grab is exactly the same across versions with the speed and recovery.

Falco's D-Air speed is the same.

 

[Thinkaman]

Mega Man lower cooldown after throwing leaf shield confirmed, pretty big difference side-by-side.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Rosalina grab cooldown increase CONFIRMED

its only very slight though isnt it?