(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／

[Zano]

sounds useful, how do?

 

[PEACE7]

It is useful man.
And to do it if you land on top of a platform with an airdodge and input a spotdodge while landing on it, you will pass through it without any lag. Oh and it doesn't have to be exactly on a stage where you can platform cancel, you can do this on bf where you can't platform cancel as well as other stages.

Also ggs @ Suzaku man, post them matches up too

 

[C.J.]

Also, how do you platform drop, exactly? I've heard it talked about in the past but I don't know the inputs for it.

When on a platform, and holding shield, slightly press down on the analog stick. It has to be one motion (you can't slowly tilt it down bit by bit). If you spot dodge, you went too far. If you tilted your shield, you didn't go far enough.

You can only do it on stages where you can platform cancel: Smashville, Lylat, Halberd, and Rainbow Cruise (not sure if I'm missing any).

This is how I perform it: jump and instead of platform cancelling with an aerial or by just pressing down, shield (L or R) and press down. If you platform cancel with shield then you need to press down faster or more like a smash than a tilt (harder is the best way I can describe it lol). If there is another way to do this, it could help me a lot.

Can you guys critique my matches when I put some more up?

Also, fun games a while back, PEACE7.

Wrong kind of platform dropping, although I know what you're talking about too.

And yes, post more matches and someone will get to them.

It is useful man.
And to do it if you land on top of a platform with an airdodge and input a spotdodge while landing on it, you will pass through it without any lag. Oh and it doesn't have to be exactly on a stage where you can platform cancel, you can do this on bf where you can't platform cancel as well as other stages.

Also ggs @ Suzaku man, post them matches up too

I don't know what you're talking about anymore, xD. What you're talking about it super committal and not anything close to as good as what I was talking about.

Look up and that's the thing that is super amazing. It gets you out of shield pressure and beats platform pressure, etc. In fact, for reference, if MK is uairing your shield, doing what I said lets you aerial MK before he can uair again.

 

[PEACE7]

I think i might of explained it wrong but I'm pretty sure we are talking about the same thing.
Also maybe after the combo video is up and a couple more things get done we should get a couple of us and make a video showing stuff such as this and how it's helpful or could be.

 

[Dogg/Naoki/Suzaku]

Oh, I know what you guys mean now. I tried to do it consistently, but it's a bit hard to do when under pressure. Going to try it out tomorrow since I haven't in a while lol

 

[C.J.]

Here's what it looks like in practice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ls70kHF_P8

And as an extension of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLu5972oPZc&feature=fvwrel
(Yes, it's melee, works the exact same in Brawl as well.)

@ above, yes it is VERY hard to do in practice when under pressure.

 

[PEACE7]

Yup that's it so sexy

 

[C.J.]

More importantly though, who is Karlovic and why is he going toe-to-toe with Federer?

 

[clowsui]

i used to pull off platform drops w/ 40% consistency under pressure...i've gotten rusty tho

 

[Shaya]

Federer going toe to toe in early rounds is pretty staple in recent times.

 

[C.J.]

Fair enough
And he's taken a sound lead set 3, so whatever. I was just confused because I'd never heard of the guy before.

Also, Nadal/Djok are doing as well as always.
Nadal, after third round:
6-4, 6-1, 6-1
6-3, 6-4, 6-3
6-2, 6-4, 6-2

Djok going into the third round:
6-2, 6-0, 6-0
6-3, 6-2, 6-1

Round 6 Nadal/Federer coming soon probably.

 

[KillLock]

if we're going to be doing techniques that take a lot of precision to pull off you guys might as well start practicing those DSC's cause ***** i got that **** on lock yo

p.s broke my last record like a boss

 

[Shaya]

A marth player who gets perfect tech skill with dolphin slash cancelling and option select ledge counter will pretty much be unedgeguardable.

 

[C.J.]

if we're going to be doing techniques that take a lot of precision to pull off you guys might as well start practicing those DSC's cause ***** i got that **** on lock yo

p.s broke my last record like a boss

Vids and a guide please.

 

[Nike.]

Yea, I call shenanigans.

Did you really learn it on command? Like, holy crap lol

 

[Kuro~]

When on a platform, and holding shield, slightly press down on the analog stick. It has to be one motion (you can't slowly tilt it down bit by bit). If you spot dodge, you went too far. If you tilted your shield, you didn't go far enough.


Wrong kind of platform dropping, although I know what you're talking about too.

And yes, post more matches and someone will get to them.



I don't know what you're talking about anymore, xD. What you're talking about it super committal and not anything close to as good as what I was talking about.

Look up and that's the thing that is super amazing. It gets you out of shield pressure and beats platform pressure, etc. In fact, for reference, if MK is uairing your shield, doing what I said lets you aerial MK before he can uair again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJbfL5RfQxU&t=23s

@Shaya option select counter? wtf u talkin about o.o...

 

[Reizilla]

Yeah, I would mostly buffer platform drop OoS to fair or something whenever a character like MK or ZSS was hitting my shield from below. I found it a lot easier to do buffered out of something like shield stun.

 

[C.J.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJbfL5RfQxU&t=23s

@Shaya option select counter? wtf u talkin about o.o...

The thing I posted is infinitely better. That is so committal.

And mixing up wavebounced and B reversed counters from the ledge to affect how and where you land on the stage.

 

[KillLock]

Yea, I call shenanigans.

Did you really learn it on command? Like, holy crap lol

I wouldn't say on command but as consistent as you can get with it and even then I still feel like there's room for improvement. I did it versus Richbrown at Genesis while he was edgeguarding me and people were hype as ****, lol.

I definitely think it's very doable.

 

[SinisterB]

Vids and a guide please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7B8DLBgOSY

Jack's beast yo


Only thing better is Wolf's ledge cancel

 

[Kuro~]

The thing I posted is infinitely better. That is so committal.

And mixing up wavebounced and B reversed counters from the ledge to affect how and where you land on the stage.

Dismissing something right away. I'm ashamed. Everything has it's use. And if you can tell me you can't think of 3 situations where the other would be useful then i'd be glad to name at least 3. Never dismiss an option.

 

[PEACE7]

I agree with Kuro everything has its uses.

 

[Kel]

A marth player who gets perfect tech skill with dolphin slash cancelling and option select ledge counter will pretty much be unedgeguardable.

Can you explain option select ledge counter?

 

[C.J.]

Dismissing something right away. I'm ashamed. Everything has it's use. And if you can tell me you can't think of 3 situations where the other would be useful then i'd be glad to name at least 3. Never dismiss an option.

Of course it has uses, the one I'm talking about is a lot better and a lot more useful, I don't think that's even arguable. It gets you out of one of the worst situations in the game vs most characters, is non-committal (you can just jump away if you want. Jumping OoS = 6 frames, doing this to jump (since it's a midair jump= 3 frames). I know it has uses, but they're very restricted in comparison, imo. If players were going to choose one of them to learn, I honestly can't think of an argument for that version over the one I mentioned is all.

Can you explain option select ledge counter?

I'm pretty sure he's referring to doing counter in different ways (B reverse, wave bouncing, "gliding" off the stage, etc) so that attacks miss/hit counter, grabs miss, etc depending on the different way you do it.

 

[Lord Chair]

Yeah it's possible to ledgehop counter in such a way that if your opponent hits the counter, you'll counterattack whereas if they don't hit it you'll just slide back to the ledge.

Pretty OP. Just like platformdrops (YOU GUYS CAN PUNISH MK UAIR PRESSURE).

 

[Kuro~]

Of course it has uses, the one I'm talking about is a lot better and a lot more useful, I don't think that's even arguable. It gets you out of one of the worst situations in the game vs most characters, is non-committal (you can just jump away if you want. Jumping OoS = 6 frames, doing this to jump (since it's a midair jump= 3 frames). I know it has uses, but they're very restricted in comparison, imo. If players were going to choose one of them to learn, I honestly can't think of an argument for that version over the one I mentioned is all.




I'm pretty sure he's referring to doing counter in different ways (B reverse, wave bouncing, "gliding" off the stage, etc) so that attacks miss/hit counter, grabs miss, etc depending on the different way you do it.

That's cuz they're used in entirely different situations. Why wouldn't you learn both? They're both very close in how you execute em and both serve different purposes.

 

[Roxas M]

Marth dittos are so fun.

And someone should probably elaborate more on this ledge counter option select.

 

[Reizilla]

Still looking for somewhere to download this Haruhi movie.

 

[C.J.]

Those ledge attacks... geez.

Nike, wow. I'm impressed. Nike is definitely a contestant for #5 Marth after the matches I'm seeing. His play and style has gotten a LOT better.

/he'll have them posted tomorrow

 

[ScareMl]

More importantly though, who is Karlovic and why is he going toe-to-toe with Federer?

Karlovic is the ace leader like every year. bascially, when people play him, just hold your serve and then try to find some way to touch his

 

[ぱみゅ]

http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/singers-perform-london-olympics-opening-ceremonies.asp

 

[Shaya]

Pretty much there's a timing with breserved counter such that you'll:
1. Counter and easily 'slide' off the ledge if it isn't activated.
2. If it is activated and extremely clutch you will actually land on stage. (You'l lstill have triple jump glitch but you'll at least be ON the stage and likely to have hit your opponent away)

The 'you'll slide off stage no matter' counter isn't as hard but still very very strong, for the worst part it resets the situation. Not many characters who have long range edge guarding pokes (i.e. the things marth worries about) have the means of dashing and punishing the counter as you go below the ledge. Like, MK can't fsmash at the right distance and if counter doesn't activate be able to go YO DASH DOWN AIR/NEUTRAL AIR, GG.

 

[Roxas M]

If you slide off the ledge with counter, do you automatically regrab the ledge if counter isn't activated?

 

[Sylarius]

Do you need to stutter step to get the fthrow -> fsmash tipper on Marth?

 

[Shaya]

Yes you do.

 

[PEACE7]

Nvm shaya got this

 

[Nike.]

What's iHomuphile for?

 

[Zano]

 

[Raziek]

You're awful Zano. xD

 

[Shaya]

Well, I could either be a Homuphile or a Homusexual, perhaps both.