ZSS General Discussion

[VSC.D-Torr]

Please tell him to stop grabbing when he's at 150 pulling a D-Torr.

fix'd

10whiffedthrows

 

[Karnu]

ugh ZSS is hard ;(

People keep taking control of my suit parts.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Throw them up, and stand near them.

 

[quiKsilverItaly]

Please tell him to stop grabbing when he's at 150.

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thanks for compliments

i will post some serious sets against Japanese players like Mikeneko, C-Stick, Earth, Kuroobi soon. I also have one set from Singles (Suinokos Diddy), but it will be uploaded on SRT Channel for sure.

also there is a good set against Leon from Brawl in Berlin 3. BiB3 was just a few days before Japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS99xsjTKiQ&list=UUXVzi1V05TCEUKdVOTp9Vaw&index=1&feature=plpp_video

 

[NickRiddle]

I'm sorry, I watch you die once a set to that same bad habit.
I wanna see more from you vs. Japan though~

 

[Zinoto]

So, I guess it's time to make my secondary tournament viable. Sup guys

 

[infiniteV115]

^
Wait, really?
Cool.























































































































































































Now go learn the infinite on Diddy Kong

 

[Coolwhip]

I guess everyone has a secret crush for zamus and wanna pick her up. haha

 

[Zinoto]

Lol I learned that a year ago

I hate the ditto and MU so I'm probably gonna use for those match ups.

 

[PEACE7]

Sooo everyone who do you think are the top 5 ZSS's in your opinion?

 

[infiniteV115]

Quik/NR/Salem
Dakpo
Myself/Bio

That's in terms of who I think is the best, not necessarily the 5 with the best results.

Edit: Oh right, DRN. I KNEW I was forgetting somebody.
I don't really know much about him but I suppose he can be in either Dakpo's tier or my tier.

Also, the tiers aren't necessarily in order. eg I'm not saying Quik>NR>Salem, I'm just saying that they're all better than Dakpo, DRN, myself and Bio lol

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

SFP best ZSS

 

[Dakpo]

Thanks :D I'll give you some good results when I move to Dallas in a week
also I have to say your list is spot on, if you include DRN and yourself somewhere around my level

 

[Player-1]

I just want to say Nick Riddle was too scared to MM at whobo

kthxbai

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

[1:54:41] Mynheer Ramses: top ZSS players imo
[1:55:21] Mynheer Ramses: 1. SFP
2. Zonar
3. Quik
4. Lokii
5. NickRiddle/Zero
[1:55:24] Mynheer Ramses: honorable mention: Mink
[1:55:32] V115: LOL
[1:55:56] Mynheer Ramses: America only btw
[2:10:03] Zanx, the luckiest Peach.: LOL
[2:12:30] Justin (NickRiddle) Lew: Why am I tied with the worst person in the world?
[2:12:56] V115: It would have made more sense to make Zero #0
[2:15:29] Mynheer Ramses: It's not really a tie, Nick
[2:15:33] Mynheer Ramses: it's more like
[2:15:37] Mynheer Ramses: Zero is better than you but
[2:15:39] Mynheer Ramses: people want you on there
[2:15:41] Mynheer Ramses: and you know
[2:15:43] Mynheer Ramses: look
[2:15:44] Mynheer Ramses: this is the issue
[2:15:46] Justin (NickRiddle) Lew: Damnit.
[2:15:47] Mynheer Ramses: the list is America only
[2:16:01] Mynheer Ramses: but SFPs/mine/quik's pwer levels are just
[2:16:05] Mynheer Ramses: so off the chart
[2:16:09] Mynheer Ramses: we can't contain it to Europe
[2:16:15] Mynheer Ramses: it influences the American metagame
[2:16:26] Mynheer Ramses: to the point of people channeling our powers without knowing etc
[2:16:31] Mynheer Ramses: Zero has it too but his power level is lower
[2:16:36] Mynheer Ramses: so he only gets spot5
[2:16:40] Mynheer Ramses: if it was THE TRUE ZERO in America
[2:16:51] Mynheer Ramses: you would be much closer to the center of his aura
[2:16:57] Mynheer Ramses: and he would get #2
[2:17:09] Mynheer Ramses: (SFP's aura is stronger, even if there's a sea between him and America)
[2:17:20] Justin (NickRiddle) Lew: ... Did that just happen?

 

[NickRiddle]

I just want to say Nick Riddle was too scared to MM at whobo

kthxbai

I just feel like if I won I'd be taking a grade-schooler's lunch money.

 

[Coolwhip]

How many zss player are there in texas? Seems like more than five at least....

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Theres alot. lol.

Alot isn't a word.
and that bothers me.

I don't wanna type "a lot"

 

[PEACE7]

IMO it goes like this
1.NickRiddle
2.Salem/Quik
3.Quik
4.Dakpo
5.v115/Bio

 

[Tesh]

there only like 4, dakpo, bio, FK and paw AFAIK.

pretty sure shlike quit

 

[infiniteV115]

YbM is from Texas as well, isn't he?

 

[Tesh]

No, but he lives here now. So I guess if you count him its 5.

Can't count shlike if you are gonna count Y.b.M

 

[Paw]

hey, thats me.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Hey, do you guys use much shorthop boost jumping? It gives you a jump height between ZSS' normal shorthop and her fullhop.

Shorthup up-b is the fastest way to land laglessly on most platforms, including the ones on Lylat, Smashville, and Battlefield. I was playing vs a Snake last week and when I thought he'd try to dacus from across the stage i'd shbj to the platform above me and downsmash or fall through the platform and bair, made him rage.

 

[NickRiddle]

I haven't thought about doing that, I'll have to test it.
I generally wouldn't do it often due to... you know... up-b having frames of up-p.

 

[Player-1]

I just feel like if I won I'd be taking a grade-schooler's lunch money.

Nick Riddle is scared of losing money to a grade schooler

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I haven't thought about doing that, I'll have to test it.
I generally wouldn't do it often due to... you know... up-b having frames of up-p.

It isn't that bad, it's very similar to Pit's up-b plat cancel.

 

[infiniteV115]

Why would you want to be above Snake on BF o.o

Edit: And Pit sucks

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Why would you want to be above Snake on BF o.o

Edit: And Pit sucks

You wouldn't, but if he's going to dacus, being on the platform above him on the other side of the stage is a good position because dsmash hits him through the platform, and if you miss, you can drop down and back air him during the animation. It works!

 

[NickRiddle]

Why would you want to be above Snake on BF o.o

Edit: And Pit sucks

Being above Snake on BF is where I ALWAYS want to be.
When I try to time him out.

 

[infiniteV115]

I'm assuming that if you plan on holding the lead and timing Snake out by platform camping, you don't want to commit to moves as long as upB everytime you decide to sh XD

 

[NickRiddle]

Nope. Only when I FH.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

If you guys don't like my very match-up specific example... that's fine, lol, I was just trying to explain how the sh boost jump works

 

[infiniteV115]

Oh it definitely seems useful and I'll probably use it every now and then, I just thought the Snake DACUS example was a little silly

THANKS BREAH

 

[Coolwhip]

I'm starting to get good with zss...Just practicing against the cpu since i don't have wi-fi atm. :/

 

[infiniteV115]

Offline tournaments are the best way to get better. Have you checked to see if Chicago has an active competitive SSBB scene?

 

[Coolwhip]

Offline tournaments are the best way to get better. Have you checked to see if Chicago has an active competitive SSBB scene?

IL has a strong brawl scene....However i don't live in chicago anymore, but i'll be going back in october.

 

[infiniteV115]

Ah, well I guess for now you should study Brawl as much as you can and hit up the training mode every now and then so that when you finally get back to that scene, you'll be full of useful knowledge and you'll actually be able to apply it.

CPUs work too I guess

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

CPUs are better practice than you'd think, but only a few are worth using. Level 9 snake is good, but he stickies a lot.

I use them to keep in mechanical shape, as CPUs tend to take advantage of even the most ridiculously small mistakes. It goes without saying that trying to do anything else with them is borderline pointless.

 

[Coolwhip]

I agree with sfp. Snake, Wario, Wolf, Falco etc, are like the only characters i like the train against.
Wario is the one i train again because of his bike pieces and use them for glide tossing.