ZSS General Discussion

[Jrugs]

Bio money match me, now!

 

[Tricky Shadowe]

I always wondered whenever I play ZSS.

At the beginning of the game, should you throw your armor at them, throw it all away, or always keep just one piece?

I just chuck them towards the enemy screaming "GET AWAY!!!" to myself.

 

[infiniteV115]

It depends on how good you and your opponent are against suitpieces, but other than that it's a matter of preference.

imo you should try to use all 3 pieces against everyone, no matter what character they're playing.

 

[quiKsilverItaly]

imo you should try to use all 3 pieces against everyone, no matter what character they're playing.

Uhm imo it's really hard to control all 3 pieces against Falco. His down-b and side-b make it really difficult to keep stage control, one mistake and it's gone.
I prefer to throw two pieces away against him.

 

[Salem]

Zss boards, I have something to ask you...

WHERE DO I FIND THE FRAME DATA FOR ARMOR PARTS?

Like, stun, shield advantage etc, I can't find that anywhere, jeezus.

Spoiler

Oh and btw, Falco is bad, I 3 stocked DEHF in our MM at sktar.

 

[BioDG]

Tell us your Falco secrets!

Bio money match me, now!

If you mean at whobo then nah, not this time since we just MMed 3 days ago and there will be sooo many new players around.

 

[Tesh]

he scurred

 

[BioDG]

Do you want me to drive you to whobo or not?

 

[Tesh]

.

 

[Jrugs]

Tell us your Falco secrets!



If you mean at whobo then nah, not this time since we just MMed 3 days ago and there will be sooo many new players around.

Naw son too salty to wait. whats your address?

 

[BioDG]

I am out of town till the weekend, sorry. I might be at Sync's other place on Friday night to train with FAE but not sure.

 

[Judo777]

Not sure if this is known or not but I recently found a way for ZSS to recover under FD completely un-aided (rather only tools ZSS has). Just something fun

 

[NickRiddle]

Yeah, I know that.
You can also do it quickly with items. XD

 

[Judo777]

Yeah, I know that.
You can also do it quickly with items. XD

Well yea I was referring to using her armor piece. Can you do it without items?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wavebounced neutralBs, boost jumps and wall jumps.

entirely possible.

 

[Judo777]

Wavebounced neutralBs, boost jumps and wall jumps.

entirely possible.

Really? Cause I already do that stuff and I could never come come that close. Like for fun I go under with every character that can and am really good with stuff like that (Marth, Diddy and Lucario all require all stuff like that). Have to see when i get the chance.

 

[infiniteV115]

You can go under just by dropping under the stage, downBing, DJing and tethering.

You just have to be precise. No wall jumps/breversals/suitpieces required.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Zss boards, I have something to ask you...

WHERE DO I FIND THE FRAME DATA FOR ARMOR PARTS?

Like, stun, shield advantage etc, I can't find that anywhere, jeezus.

Spoiler

Oh and btw, Falco is bad, I 3 stocked DEHF in our MM at sktar.

afaik that frame data has never been mined. we know a few things, like zss' throw animations are all 6 or 7 frames (uthrow might be longer, i know it's the longest).

I guess the reason we never searched is because all you really need to know is that you pretty much always have ****loads of advantage when you hit with a suit piece, (on shield or otherwise) it's ridiculous

Another thing you might find interesting is that when a suit piece is bouncing, the damage goes up each time it hits. To test this you can throw a suit piece down, and walk into it repeatedly, the damage stales upwards not downwards.

If you want I can try to contact rPSI, he mined the zss frame data out last time, maybe he knows something.

And was that set recorded?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

No, we do have frame data. I just have to link it twice a month or something.

tired of that

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

We have frame data for suit pieces?? On the zss spreadsheet? brb looking

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Akj5GwhI94pXdE5hSi02X1hyeGt5WFU3TjhFM3QzaFE

This is all the data I have. Is there data on suit piece advantage etc somewhere?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Suit Pieces are pretty much impossible to calculate because it's based on distance from opponent.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Wouldn't the important data be like shield advantage at melee range?

 

[infiniteV115]

afaik that frame data has never been mined. we know a few things, like zss' throw animations are all 6 or 7 frames (uthrow might be longer, i know it's the longest).

I guess the reason we never searched is because all you really need to know is that you pretty much always have ****loads of advantage when you hit with a suit piece, (on shield or otherwise) it's ridiculous

Another thing you might find interesting is that when a suit piece is bouncing, the damage goes up each time it hits. To test this you can throw a suit piece down, and walk into it repeatedly, the damage stales upwards not downwards.

If you want I can try to contact rPSI, he mined the zss frame data out last time, maybe he knows something.

And was that set recorded?

Pretty sure all our throws last longer than 7 frames. dthrow is probably like 20ish, uthrow is over 30 for sure.

And suitpieces only hit once when bouncing. They aren't like Wario's bike. Am I misinterpreting what you're trying to say or are you trying to say that it'll hit multiple times from 1 toss?

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Wow, seriously? For some reason I thought they were much, much faster, thanks.

it's totally possible, I'm just pulling **** from my (bad) memory. I think dazwa knows exactly how long they are, I'll give him a message.

 

[infiniteV115]

Gj Nick getting 7th in singles and 3rd in dubs at WHOBO, especially for beating Razer.
y u lose to Ally
I felt like you were too afraid of Gnes in dubs, but you won anyway so w/e
y u lose to Gnes in singles

Bio I only saw one set with you in dubs...and I don't remember who your opponents were but I believe one of them was Chibo (it was a ROB for sure)...do you know the infinite?

And you were choking quite a bit How'd you place? And what happened in singles?

 

[DRN]

Gj Nick getting 7th in singles and 3rd in dubs at WHOBO, especially for beating Razer.
y u lose to Ally
I felt like you were too afraid of Gnes in dubs, but you won anyway so w/e
y u lose to Gnes in singles

Bio I only saw one set with you in dubs...and I don't remember who your opponents were but I believe one of them was Chibo (it was a ROB for sure)...do you know the infinite?

And you were choking quite a bit How'd you place? And what happened in singles?

Bio didn't make it out of pools . He lost to razer, kismet, and dphat.

 

[infiniteV115]

Who the **** is dphat

 

[Tesh]

Old school TX pro. We have/had alot of good players that you don't always get to see in results because TX is so big and dead.

 

[infiniteV115]

So apparently QuikSilver is in Japan along with 2 other players from Germany, I'm assuming they're there to attend SRT.
Also...a surprising update reveals that Quik is playing amazingly.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14754627&postcount=1584

Noon: beat Kuroobi 2-1, lost to Mikeneko 0-2
Evening: lost to Kuroobi 0-3, beat Mikeneko 2-0, 2-0 and 2-1

Kuroobi sandbagged in the friendles but destroyed most of Quik's openings in the set. Quik said he'd adapt to it though and thinks that Leon is better than Mikeneko [as opposed to M2K who thinks Mikeneko is the best Marth].
Quik thinks he can beat all the japanese he played so far minus Nietono. He managed to never get 2 stocked by his Olimar so far though;

 

[DRN]

Who the **** is dphat

He played wario and Marth. Didn't get to see the set myself though so I don't know the count or details.

 

[infiniteV115]

Oh and what happened to you? Who did you lose to?
Did you even use ZSS? I heard you were planning to go all Diddy at this or something

 

[DRN]

Oh and what happened to you? Who did you lose to?
Did you even use ZSS? I heard you were planning to go all Diddy at this or something

I went all zss. I got 25th losing to trela and Mvd. I beat hyro in winners and yoshq in losers.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

I'm really surprised at how good Quiksilver got all of the sudden, lol.

Watching his most recent sets on youtube, his set against Neath's diddy was awesome. Nice set against Myollnir's pt too.

 

[infiniteV115]

I went all zss. I got 25th losing to trela and Mvd. I beat hyro in winners and yoshq in losers.

Ah, MVD and Trela, fair enough XD

Edit: Yeah I just watched his set against Neath, HE'S SO ****ING GOOD HOLY ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2mSZamAU9U

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWUBQvrTboE&feature=plcp

**** squirtle man LOL

Man ZSS is so ****ing good these days, I never thought I'd say this but I think she needs to go up a tier.

She does so much damage and lives forever for someone of her weight class.. she has awesome off-stage pressure and a terrifying ground game.

ZSS does like 5 moves to you and you're at 70%, 17% fair, effecive 20% on dsmash, awesome kill power. Plus zss players are just doing so much work.

 

[PEACE7]

I think SFP is completely right, ZSS has been doing fantastic lately almost every ZSS has been taking steroids and getting good results. Like if we compare how many good ZSS players we have now compared to like a year ago there's a big difference. Good **** to you all <3

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Totally, I'm so pumped about ZSS that I'm going to start being more active in europe. Going to a big (well, for portugal <3) smashfest 3 hours away tomorrow, really excited to get back into the game.

I used to be able to see how ZSS was a tier below like marth and wario but honestly I can't see it anymore, she's definitely as good as those characters, and should be in the same tier.

 

[Karnu]

Hey guys I'm Ryukario, I'm a Lucario player from Australia hoping to pick up ZSS as a secondary to help cover Lucario's weaknesses like D3's chain grab and other shenanigans that tick Lucario players off.

 

[infiniteV115]

Cool. Welcome aboard brah.

 

[Coolwhip]

I gotta get better with zss.