lol my Usmash has been beaten by (traded with more acurately) foxes dair. As zelda youcan't afford to throw out usmash willynilly. if you do you are bound to be sent into the air or off stage even at lower percents. On paper it seems really easy to beat jiggy but in practices she has so many options you aren't accounting for.
and apparently you guys aren't accounting for the fact that NONE of those options are safe becuase a grounded Zelda can beat out jigglypuff from any angle. Obviously that's not going to happen ALL the time or it'd be 100:0 in Zelda's favour. But Zelda's usmash only trades with fox's dair if the zelda is unlucky, or if she jumps the gun and fox places his dair correctly because she's given him an opening. Even then, the tradeoff is about even.
Jiggly vs. an agressive zelda that is predicatable is probably not that bad of a matchup for jiggly.... But if zelda knows how to deal with jiggly it's absoluetly horrid.
Zelda deals damage faster and jiggly doesn't have a way of camping Zelda, so jiggly is forced to approach most of the match.
Furthermore, Zelda's defense >> Jiggly's offense. And considering that's how the matchup is going to go: Jiggly on offense and Zelda on defense, it'll be ugly. Jiggly will make punishable mistakes at least as often if not more often than Zelda will be baited by jigglypuff into doing something punishably stupid. When zelda has such a clear advantage by playing it safe, why isk anything if you are her? And even if you think that jiggly will be baiting more than she's punished, without gimps, zelda can reliably kill jigglypuff at about half the damage that jigglypuff can reliably kill zelda.
Jiggly can gimp zelda off the stage as long as she comits herself immediately and zelda doesn't deal with the pressure. Zelda's long airdodge, floatiness, large double jump and ability to teleport can all get her back to the stage safely as long as she's not forced into a disadvantageous position (i.e. without a double jump, low and far from the stage) but good DI and knowledge of jiggly's of the stage game should prevent that from happening at low enough damages, or often enough for Jiggly to significantly sway the matchup in her favour.
Then we have in the air. Yeah, jiggly wins there, though Zelda's power aerials are a very real threat for a KO making jiggly's job a bit riskier. Sure jiggly's got aerial versitility in spades here, but only coming in from an angle is really safe for jigglypuff whilst zelda is airborn considering just how early a power aerial from zelda can kill. And jigglypuff is one of the few things that falls slower than zelda, which means zelda will actually make it to the ground easier than she often can.
There's really no two ways around this matchup. Jigglypuff RELIES on zelda making a mistake to be able to even hit her. And once jiggly does hit her, Jiggly relies on a gimp/edgeguard to kill Zelda at a reasonable damage. On the other hand, jiggly isn't allowed to make many mistakes since so many of zelda's moves hit so hard that she can't afford to take many of them before just dying. And considering Jigglypuff doesn't have a single apprach that will RELIABLY work against zelda without zelda getting tricked into it, it's unlikely that jiggly's gonna have that kind of luck. Zelda should be dealing damage twice as quickly and killing at half the damage as jigglypuff does in this matchup. Throw in baiting, which will hapen some, and edgeguarding and jigglypuff can mitigate that some... but it's a clear zelda advantage. Hard counter.
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