ZGD: Livin by a thread.

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

To support the developer. If you don't buy the games that are really good the development team can't keep making new games for you to enjoy.

Kaylo I head really good things about The World Ends With You like it's the greatest DS game ever and such.....it's a RPG right?

Oh and is Yoshi's Island DS a re-make or completely new?

Buying games is kind of like voting. My one vote/ buy isn't going to have a great impact.

 

[KayLo!]

Buying games is kind of like voting. My one vote/ buy isn't going to have a great impact.

There are plenty of other people who feel that way..... when put together, people with your mentality are the reason why the entertainment industry is losing a ****ton of money to hacking. It doesn't matter that you're just one person. You're still contributing to the problem if you practice hacking without also buying games you like.

Kaylo I head really good things about The World Ends With You like it's the greatest DS game ever and such.....it's a RPG right?

Yeah, it's an RPG, and it's SO ****ING GOOD. <333 I love it.

It's made by the same people who do Kingdom Hearts, which is auto-win, but there are a ton of reasons why it's amazing: the storyline, the art, the unique battle system that works really well with the DS touchscreen, the dialogue/voice acting.... I could go on, but I won't, lol.

My only small complaints are that it's a little on the easy side (which is partially remedied by your ability to lower your level and adjust the game's difficulty at any time), and the game itself isn't that long. I wouldn't call it short, but if you're experienced with RPGs, you'll probably get through it fairly quickly.

After you finish the main game, there's still post-game stuff to do, though, mostly revolving around finding all the Secret Reports.

Definitely, definitely play it. Imo, it's the best game on the DS..... and while I don't want to overhype it, most people will tell you it's at least top 5 or 10.

Oh and is Yoshi's Island DS a re-make or completely new?

It's completely new. I think it's a sequel, but I don't really follow the Yoshi storyline..... all I know is that it's not a remake.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

There are plenty of other people who feel that way..... when put together, people with your mentality are the reason why the entertainment industry is losing a ****ton of money to hacking. It doesn't matter that you're just one person. You're still contributing to the problem if you practice hacking without also buying games you like.

It's nice to have back up copies. Anyway I think it's the same with music movies and anything else why pay for something when you can get it for free ?

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

You know, there's a reason bootlegging is illegal. If a large enough amount of people got their movies, music, etc. for free, the companies that make those items don't get as much money back, which means they're not making a profit, which will eventually drive them to bankruptcy, essentially ruining the market.

Then what?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

You know, there's a reason bootlegging is illegal. If a large enough amount of people got their movies, music, etc. for free, the companies that make those items don't get as much money back, which means they're not making a profit, which will eventually drive them to bankruptcy, essentially ruining the market.

Then what?

If a company was to die because of this then it was going to go out of business regardless.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Now I see why most people think talking with you is pointless. Your arguments are devoid of any substance.

 

[KayLo!]

I really think AL just uses his so-called ignorance to troll everybody. There's no way someone can be that..... argh. I can't even say it.

Red name ****blocking my insults. ;-;

 

[<π]

I just bought phantasy star 0. pretty hip game.

Just got dragon age. pretty exciting as well.

 

[KayLo!]

I almost liked Phantasy Star 0. It wasn't terrible, but something about it rubbed me the wrong way.

EDIT: You know which game was a COMPLETE disappointment? Avalon Code. It got so much hype in its previews, and the whole hitting-****-with-a-book system looked so creative, but the game itself was ***, uninspired, and not really well put together at all.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Now I see why most people think talking with you is pointless. Your arguments are devoid of any substance.

That's not true. Bigger Business will survive no matter how much their stuff gets ripped. It happens look at the music industry. Look at movies etc etc etc. THat's like saying no one will go to a sporting event because you can see it on TV. But whatever, all I have to say is point to me one business that has died out because of pirated software and I can guarantee you it would of died either way.

I really think AL just uses his so-called ignorance to troll everybody. There's no way someone can be that..... argh. I can't even say it.

It's not ignorance nor is it trolling it's the truth whether you want to believe with it or not those are simple facts.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

That's not true. Bigger Business will survive no matter how much their stuff gets ripped.

Extreme example coming up, but it CAN happen.

Imagine if there was a product set to release on a set date. Somehow, lets say via some underground network, it leaks, and everybody gets it. Now, when the item is officially released, remember, all of their money has been put into this product, and they're expecting a large profit in return, no one's gonna buy it, because they got it for free, right? Since that company put however much money into that product, which is only gonna sit on their shelves, or whatever they're utilizing, and they don't make any of it back....

Game Over.

Wait, why did I actually respond?

 

[GreyFox86]

Cause you wanna be as cool as the rest of the Zelda's here. :D

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

How much further do I have to go?

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Extreme example coming up, but it CAN happen.

Imagine if there was a product set to release on a set date. Somehow, lets say via some underground network, it leaks, and everybody gets it. Now, when the item is officially released, remember, all of their money has been put into this product, and they're expecting a large profit in return, no one's gonna buy it, because they got it for free, right? Since that company put however much money into that product, which is only gonna sit on their shelves, or whatever they're utilizing, and they don't make any of it back....

Game Over.

Wait, why did I actually respond?

50 cent's album was leaked two weeks before the release date I guess it didn't sell well. I had TvC before the release date also guess that didn't sell well either. People will buy people will bootleg. Bootlegging will not cause a business to die that wasn't about to die anyways. I hear that argument way to much when it comes to watching anime. Still you're theory crafting still haven't named a company. It's nice to have theories but when in reality when that **** doesn't go as you theory states it would be nice of you to back off your theory.

 

[KayLo!]

Piracy doesn't have to necessarily outright kill a company or game developer.... it can affect it in other ways: job losses, wage cuts, a significant decrease in the number/quality of games/music/etc., a decrease in promotional efforts that would have additionally increased sales.....

The list goes on.

Basically, you're looking at it as all-or-nothing when it's not like that at all.

Done with this argument now because you're just gonna keep being..... well. Being AL.

Also, if you want examples, there's a thing called Google. Search "piracy + economy" or "piracy + effects" and have fun.

 

[-Mars-]

Lol.

I don't buy music. i have like 17,500 songs in my Itunes library and it's all downloaded illegally off the internetz......well i do have like 50 cd's but they're like stolen/borrowed lol.

When it comes to games and movies though I like having a physical copy. there's nothing like getting home frm the game store and ripping the plastic off that new Mario Bros. game.

I for one am REaaalllllllly looking forward to Sonic Classic Collection(Wanna try these games since I never played them back in the day), Megaman Zero Collection(Never played these either), and Infinite Space.

That's like 10 games for the price of 3):

Can't wait, oh and I usually don't like RPG's except really in-depth interesting ones with more focus on gameplay instead of storyline......so infinite space looks like the kind of stat infested RPG I can get into

 

[Half-Split Soul]

Yoshi's Island: DS

Could you tell me a little more about this? I have the Yoshi's island GBA. which I love, and have been thinking about getting this. However, every time look around for information about it I find these conflicting opinions: half the people seem to think it sucks ***, others praise how it's just as good as the GBA version, if not even better.

Oh, since we're also back at talking about DS games: you never responded that PM I sent you a long time ago.

How much further do I have to go?

I'd say you've already passed a good majority of them/us.

 

[adumbrodeus]

The fact is, companies need to adapt their business model to service their paying costumers. At the moment, pirates get the best service overall in a wide variety of ways, so it pays to be a pirate.


They'll always be a core group of people who'll pirate period, they just want free stuff (and to be fair, a lot of people fall into that category for some things), but then you have your actual base.


You cater to them for games by avoiding annoying verification methods (1 pirate has to circumnavigate it, the rest don't have to deal with it) and by providing continuous support for the product among other things.


For music, honestly the major problem was the music industry didn't go online immiediately, so now the pirate distribution networks are better then the legit ones. That said, a similar model to the pirate one with people paying for stuff is a workable idea. Or moving off from relying on the difficult to control music itself and working based on things like live performances and memorabilia.


There are a number of other possibilities, but piracy is probably here to stay and companies need to adapt to it and respond to what people are telling them by it.

 

[Elder Sister]

when it comes to games i always buy'em.
maybe because i don't have a cracked DS/wii XDD

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Piracy doesn't have to necessarily outright kill a company or game developer.... it can affect it in other ways: job losses, wage cuts, a significant decrease in the number/quality of games/music/etc., a decrease in promotional efforts that would have additionally increased sales.....

The list goes on.

Basically, you're looking at it as all-or-nothing when it's not like that at all.

Done with this argument now because you're just gonna keep being..... well. Being AL.

Also, if you want examples, there's a thing called Google. Search "piracy + economy" or "piracy + effects" and have fun.

So basically what you're saying is just conjecture. Good job Kaylo you've proved your point brilliantly bravo.

Lol.

I don't buy music. i have like 17,500 songs in my Itunes library and it's all downloaded illegally off the internetz......well i do have like 50 cd's but they're like stolen/borrowed lol.

When it comes to games and movies though I like having a physical copy. there's nothing like getting home frm the game store and ripping the plastic off that new Mario Bros. game.

I for one am REaaalllllllly looking forward to Sonic Classic Collection(Wanna try these games since I never played them back in the day), Megaman Zero Collection(Never played these either), and Infinite Space.

That's like 10 games for the price of 3):

Can't wait, oh and I usually don't like RPG's except really in-depth interesting ones with more focus on gameplay instead of storyline......so infinite space looks like the kind of stat infested RPG I can get into

You know what's better than ten games for the prices of three? ten games for the price of free. LoL but that's a lot of ****ing songs you got. There's no way you listen to that much music that's ridic u stank.

You want to know why they still sold even after being leaked and getting pirated?

Because a good deal of those who pirate products also buy the ones they really like in order to support the companies behind them.

This is also what a good majority of the companies today ignore in their fight against piracy: not all of those who get stuff for free are blind enough to think companies can just make money from the air and keep making more good products for us to freely download without us supporting them in any way or form.

I never said that they blindly make money. I like to call those people suckers. It doesn't see the point.

when it comes to games i always buy'em.
maybe because i don't have a cracked DS/wii XDD

I wouldn't of gotten a Wii if I couldn't hack. I hacked my psp.

Disclaimer: I don't advocate this do not do it it's like don't tell your mom Almost told you to do it. I have all copies of my games and music and movies..

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

-_-

I'm just gonna come out and say it.

You're an idiot.

I'll sacrifice some "Zelda Points" but that needed to be said.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

I'm just gonna come out and say it.

You're an idiot.

I'll sacrifice some "Zelda Points" but that needed to be said.

I'm an idiot yet you have no evidence to support your claims and at the end of the day you resort to name calling. Yes, I'm the idiot simply brilliant I love the *** backwards logic.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Yeah, you of all people would understand it, right?

/discussion

 

[Bandit]

Yeah, you of all people would understand it, right?

/discussion

TUSM, you made the mistake we all learned a long time ago and that is addressing AL. He's pretty much ignored by the Zeldas so you actually GAINED Zelda points.

 

[zeldspazz]

AL I have a question if you dont mind me asking. Why do you make people back up their claims if you never back up yours? Because honestly Ive never seen you back yours up and your claims are always way more farfetched than theirs.

And on the subject at hand, it's extremely selfish criminal-like to just download games for free. If you do that you always by the game as to not cheat the company. They put the hard work and money into making that game. If you download 1 wii game for free the company already lost 50$ because you didnt buy it. Thats 1 game from 1 person. And trust me, more than 1 person downloads games. And they will download more than 1. You said 10 games for free is nice AL? Thats 500$ you just cheated out of the company. That is pure numbers that is undeniable and you know it.

Want to know another shocking thing that is proven? 23% of people stopped buying games because they can find them illegally. That is a PROVEN percentage. 5 billion music soundtracks were downloaded for free in 2008. It does hurt a company.

Thats my say on the subject.

EDIT: Just to let you know, I know these numbers are right. I did a project on this in school and my teachers checked the sources for accurate and reliable info. So get ***** to people who think I just pulled this out of my ***

 

[KayLo!]

YEAH ZELDSPAZZ.

<3
<modmagic>

 

[Half-Split Soul]

If you download 1 wii game for free the company already lost 50$ because you didnt buy it.

Actually, the company that makes the game gets only a small percentage of the money the game is sold for in stores. Most of the money goes to various middlemans.

Your point is still perfectly right though, and if anything this makes it even more important for the companies that people actually pay them for their products.

 

[zeldspazz]

@HSS: I was just trying to make it simple math that AL could understand :3 Obviously its not that simple. If if that's true then you are cheating more than just the company I guess, which I find even worse/

@KayLo!: <3

Just got sick of this argument >_>

 

[AzNfinesse]

ok new argument.

what celebrity should i photoshop zelda's face on?

 

[zeldspazz]

Kelly Clarkson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Half-Split Soul]

@HSS: I was just trying to make it simple math that AL could understand :3 Obviously its not that simple. If if that's true then you are cheating more than just the company I guess, which I find even worse

Yeah I guessed you knew that, I just thought it was worth mentioning that there are also others in the equation. Moving on...

Zeldspazz. You and me. Avatar cuteness fight. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

what celebrity should i photoshop zelda's face on?

M2K!

Use the picture here as the base: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264075
It should look weird/creepy enough.

 

[zeldspazz]

Zeldspazz. You and me. Avatar cuteness fight. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.

Its on!

 

[Half-Split Soul]

So people, what are you waiting for? Which of us has cuter avatar: me or zeldspazz? It's time to vote!

 

[mountain_tiger]

AL I have a question if you dont mind me asking. Why do you make people back up their claims if you never back up yours? Because honestly Ive never seen you back yours up and your claims are always way more farfetched than theirs.

He's a hypocrite. Need I say more?

And on the subject at hand, it's extremely selfish criminal-like to just download games for free. If you do that you always by the game as to not cheat the company. They put the hard work and money into making that game. If you download 1 wii game for free the company already lost 50$ because you didnt buy it. Thats 1 game from 1 person. And trust me, more than 1 person downloads games. And they will download more than 1. You said 10 games for free is nice AL? Thats 500$ you just cheated out of the company. That is pure numbers that is undeniable and you know it.

The way I see it, you wouldn't steal a physical copy of a game from a store, and thus you shouldn't download them for free either. Same applies for music. Or anything for that matter.

Thieves are scum.

Want to know another shocking thing that is proven? 23% of people stopped buying games because they can find them illegally. That is a PROVEN percentage. 5 billion music soundtracks were downloaded for free in 2008. It does hurt a company.

Thats my say on the subject.

EDIT: Just to let you know, I know these numbers are right. I did a project on this in school and my teachers checked the sources for accurate and reliable info. So get ***** to people who think I just pulled this out of my ***

Wow. Those figures are pretty astounding... So almost a quarter of gamers simply download them for free. What the hell happened to morals?


Edit: Also, zeldspazz has the cuter avatar. I used to have the best avatar of all time, but Kata said it was a no-no...

 

[zeldspazz]

So people, what are you waiting for? Which of us has cuter avatar: me or zeldspazz? It's time to vote!

THIS ^^^

Someone change the thread title to get peoples attention

@MT: Yeah, it is pretty astounding isnt it. It was a sad report :\

1 vote for me >:D

Eat it HSS!

 

[Half-Split Soul]

I used to have the best avatar of all time, but Kata said it was a no-no...

You must've really liked that avatar, I remember you mentioning it good 3-5 times in different places already

1 vote for me >:D

Eat it HSS!

****

 

[MdrnDayMercutio]

I'm voting for Zeldaspazz if only cause he ended that stupid arguement! Yay!

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

AL I have a question if you dont mind me asking. Why do you make people back up their claims if you never back up yours? Because honestly Ive never seen you back yours up and your claims are always way more farfetched than theirs.

I thought me bringing up a rapper like 50 cent was backing my claim. But whatever I guess =/.

And on the subject at hand, it's extremely selfish criminal-like to just download games for free. If you do that you always by the game as to not cheat the company. They put the hard work and money into making that game. If you download 1 wii game for free the company already lost 50$ because you didnt buy it. Thats 1 game from 1 person. And trust me, more than 1 person downloads games. And they will download more than 1. You said 10 games for free is nice AL? Thats 500$ you just cheated out of the company. That is pure numbers that is undeniable and you know it.

Can I ask you this. Why is its that these companies that make these games design them so that if they're played enough they will eventually not be read and you'll have to buy a new game. How many Wii's stopped reading brawl? Do you know how much of a pain to be unable to play a game you've had for years because the system no longer reads the game? But I'm supposed to buy into this and just keep dumping my money and faith into them?

Want to know another shocking thing that is proven? 23% of people stopped buying games because they can find them illegally. That is a PROVEN percentage. 5 billion music soundtracks were downloaded for free in 2008. It does hurt a company.

With this alarming number of people how many business went out of business? Sony microsoft and Nitendo seem to be doing just fine. But whatever it I really don't like your holy than thou attitude.

Thats my say on the subject.

EDIT: Just to let you know, I know these numbers are right. I did a project on this in school and my teachers checked the sources for accurate and reliable info. So get ***** to people who think I just pulled this out of my ***

I don't care about the numbers. They seem pretty arbitrary to me to say the least. One you say 23% of people stopped buying games. IS this US canada or is this a world wide problem. Same thing goes for the 5 billion sound tracks. Then you have to say 23% of people who buy video games or on a video game system. So how large is that number really? Also I really don't care for your teachers opinion or the sources where you got it from could of came from wikipedia for all I now.

 

[Airgemini]

Zeldspazz's avatar is more cute.

 

[zeldspazz]

Yeah yeah w/e AL

Sweeet another 2 votes. Step it up HSS!