Zelda Q&A and Discussion Thread: Our Bair is STILL better than Yours!

[Cia]

Does anyone have a favorite High Tier match up w/ zelda? if so, why? (an attempt to steer the discussion in a more.. constructive direction)

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I'd say Fox is probably my favorite. You don't die instantly from shinespikes and you can outspace him to an extent. Uthrow works well and the dsmash comes in handy for edgeguards.

Waveshines hurt though.

 

[TheLake]

Uggh i hate fox

Up throw is awsome but actually grabbing a decent fox is pretty much impossibly. Downsmash is cool n all but its only really useful if its crouch cancled properly and even then shine beats it. Its OK on the ledge but it can lead to a pretty easy ledge tech at times. *sigh* but thats just me, i find that matchup pretty un fun....edgeguarding can be fun though i supose

I looove facing falco cause edgeguarding creativity can be really effective on him due to his absurdly gimpable recovery. Falcon is fun but any decent low tier I think should enjoy playing falcons cause when you use zelda it actually can be a match (battle of the sweetspots yo) rather a low tier massacre.

I like fighting marth too but im not so hot on the matchup. Its fun though cause you approach it differently.

Peach and shiek meh....they can be fun if you play em right but im not overly confident on them yet.

But definatly falco is my favorite, then falcon and marth.

 

[Rain(ame)]

I like C. Falcon and Fox. Mainly Fox because I always catch Niwatori out of his recovery per grab or foot. C. Falcon because foot vs. knee is epic. Cape vs. Mow anyone? yeah....epic. ^_^ Seriously though, Zelda vs. Fox is an interesting and challenging, yet fun matchup.

 

[Zone]

Falco is my favorite to play against. Because I've learned to powershield his lazers. It's not impossible to do like against fox who can spam bs double lazers or stand there and spray them. So I can actually sometimes get grabs in when falco gets stunned from his own lazer. Or force him to use shine right after he does a lazer, and I can triangle jump pass the lazer and pwn his face when it comes back. I find falco way easier to edge guard as TheLake said. Even though falco can edge tech to.

Although Don't get me wrong. Falco match up isn't necessarily fair or anything. I just find it personally fun. Because I can do so well. Even when i'm one stocked I think My job was done against a good falco.

Fox on the other hand. Is full of bs. I mean I have fun combo'ing him. This is totally assuming I get atleast 2 combos off by the time I'm 2 stocks behind.

Now my fav matchup I use cuz I think i'll win is against Samus.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Samus is mid tier though.

 

[soap]

QUESTIONS:

1. is the zelda upB ledgestall totally invincible? cuz i get hit out of it, and im sure im doing it as soon as i can let go.

perhaps my method is too slow, i press down, then instantly jump to upb as quickly as i can.

2. is ledgedrop nayrus easy to connect? is there even a hitbox below her? with ledge invinicibility frames any move should have priority i think.

 

[TheLake]

1. Nope, its still the bestest attack ever though

2. Its not overly difficult but its not exactly easy either and I think think it hits on the bottom...Somtimes spacies will go like straight down when they get hit with the bottom so im not really sure

 

[Magus420]

It's fully invincible as long as you let go of the edge the very first moment you can. It's how just about all invincible stalls work like Falco, Fox, Ganon, Bowser, etc. Sheik is dumb though and has a lot of room for error since the up-b itself has invincibility early enough in the animation to cover it.

After you let go of an edge the game doesn't allow you to regrab it for a fixed amount of time. It just so happens that when you combine the 7(?) it takes before you can let go together with the regrabbing period it's the exact same duration as the invincibility you get from the ledge. So if you let go 1 frame late you're vulnerable for 1. Also, Link's ledgegrab is only like 3 or something for whatever reason.

As long as you let go immediately and can get back within range of the edge while having downwards movement by then to be allowed to grab onto it you can stay invincible the entire time.

 

[soap]

cool.... also ive been working on a modified sheik stall with no explosion, u fastfall then upb regrabbing with the first half of the upb as it seems to catch quicker than dj for some reason. is that completely invincible. ive dipped into lava and regrabbed with this, but it seems when totally submerged i become vulnerable.

 

[TheLake]

O_o....What?!! You can be fully invincible?! **** **** RAAAAPE I SAY! I thought the move was to slow to...then you couldnt after the...meaning you couldnt...!!!

Thank you magus (:

You have made zelda stronger

 

[Keblerelf]

what do you guys do against jiggs?

 

[soap]

i imagine they back air

 

[TheLake]

UPsmash, down smash and Bair

Dash attack is sick too

 

[Zone]

I took a match off hungry box with myZelda once. Lost the other 2 though . Sorry but I don't really remember how I played. I just try and bait and space, and predict. I used F-air more against jiggs than b-air. It just feels safer.

I go fox vs jiggz anyways now. Zelda is my like super side char now >.>

 

[RoyalBlood]

How does the D-tilt meteor works? D:
It's affected by the opponent DI?
My Melee or Meele? >_< Is like >_< Every day i discover a new glitch or weird happening D=

 

[Zone]

How does the D-tilt meteor works? D:
It's affected by the opponent DI?
My Melee or Meele? >_< Is like >_< Every day i discover a new glitch or weird happening D=

I don't think it's a meteor >.>; atleast I've never seen anyone get sent straight down from it. Perhaps you down-tilted and your opponent hit the ceiling from beneath the stage and got sent down.

 

[RoyalBlood]

Oh no, i'm sure it meteors if you hit with the tigh? D: grammar >_<
But my question it's that if it's possible to send them other direction D: because something very weird happened D: I'll try to make a crappy diagram soon ^_^

Edit : Here

 

[Brinzy]

I could've sworn that dtllt was a meteor >_>

 

[elvenarrow3000]

You have to hit their upper body with it, I think...

It's a pretty crappy Meteor, though.

 

[TheLake]

Its not very shabby but its prettyful

I aim for the neck but dont use/try it as much as i should

but yes always aim for thyn neck

 

[RoyalBlood]

I need to know how does Zelda grab works! >:l

Zelda can grab people from behind >_> right?

And about d-tilt, when close the edge the d-tilt starts sending them in a diagonal angle or is it affected by DI? >:l

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I would assume that it's affected by DI, like most everything else in the game.

Grab

Dash grab

Both pictures are frame twelve. The hitbox stays for another frame, but doesn't really change. Grab lags until frame thirty, dash grab lags until frame forty-one. Tada.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Zelda sucks lol.

 

[RoyalBlood]

:O I think that doesn't answer my question...sorry I'm pretty ignorant

Example :

Zelda standing grab.

Zelda uses it when Fox is behind her but nevertheless Zelda grabs him while she was trying to grab in the opposite direction of where Fox was

By the images it seems grabs have also grab frames behind right? :0

And I just discovered that each multi-hit of Zelda's smashes can count as a phantom hit >_ >

Way to go Nintendo <_<

 

[elvenarrow3000]

As long as purple circles touch your opponent, you'll grab them, so yes, you can reverse grab.

Where's Yaoi Realm? Or what's Yaoi Realm?

 

[RoyalBlood]

You wouldn't like to know

You can try browsing but only if you're alone

 

[Magus420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDyhBNNC_0E&fmt=18
Right at the start at 0:03


That picture makes it look like Zelda's wearing Samus' arm cannon or something, lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Where's Yaoi Realm? Or what's Yaoi Realm?

Use the supreme internet worm tool.

By which I mean summon the google.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Oh, I thought it was like a place or something...

 

[TheLake]

Oh its a place

where the magic happens (;

Awww yeeeah

Oh zeldas grab sucks (Its still groovy looking though)

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Yeah, Zelda's is one of the few... if not the only... non-disjointed grab that doesn't kick in on frame seven.

 

[Cia]

Zelda's Grab makes me cry. but i sometimes tech chase with her anyway XD

 

[Impp]

If you knock someone down with the end of teleport attack animation, there's a chance that you can tech chase them with the teleport. VERY USEFUL!!!!,








no... not really
Actually, I forget if it was really a tech chase, or a missed tech then roll chase...

 

[elvenarrow3000]

I can't see how that would work at all...

 

[RoyalBlood]

Do Zelda's weak hits have a tendency to send people into tumble animations?

Tumble is where you are inmobile right? >_>

 

[Rain(ame)]

YES!!! I just did some of the vest stuff with Zelda!! I won a best of 3 vs. a C. Falcon, and in the last match I teched the Knee at 110%!!!! came back with a toe as repayment!! I'm sorry, but it was like...WOW I JUST LIVED THROUGH THAT!!! ^_^ <3 Zelda.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Uh, congrats, I guess...

 

[Rain(ame)]

Well...what do you think would happen to Zelda if you got knee'd at that % by the edge on Battlefield? It was just one of those moments like O_O for me...xD.

 

[Zone]

Well...what do you think would happen to Zelda if you got knee'd at that % by the edge on Battlefield? It was just one of those moments like O_O for me...xD.

That sounds uber hawt, you teched the knee, into a kick before he could do anything? sweet