Zelda Matchup Thread // OUTDATED

[MrEh]

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"Spacing Nairs is a good way to get him inside it and get damage. and he is big too. it can even stab his shield for I have a few times.[/COLOR]

Fortress OoS will eat up Nair approaches. No need to approach in this fight when you can get defensive.

I'm not sure how much of an edge Zelda has in this fight though.

It's probably agreed by now that it's either 60-40 or 55-45. I'm for the latter.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I'm for the former. Really I think the advantage, while not great, is noticeable. a noticeable advanatge tends to be 60:40 as opposed to 55:45

Din's is nearly USELESS in this matchup in any significant form. Utterly useless. Best use is for edgeguarding, and even then it is fairly easy to dodge.

Din's >>> Wario Chopper

that is all.

 

[GreyFox86]

Do Sonic Next!!!!!!! :D

 

[MrEh]

I'm for the former. Really I think the advantage, while not great, is noticeable. a noticeable advanatge tends to be 60:40 as opposed to 55:45

This is going to sound completely random, but I've been searching the entire internet for an image of Zelda riding on Bowser's back.

I just find the thought of such an image so hilarious. XD

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

This is going to sound completely random, but I've been searching the entire internet for an image of Zelda riding on Bowser's back.

I just find the thought of such an image so hilarious. XD

be careful you have your filters on <.<


@GreyFox: we've got a lot of sonic discussion in the help w/ matchup thread. you could C&P a lot of that.

 

[DMG]

Din's >>> Wario Chopper

that is all.

lul.

Wario's recovery > Din's fire. Too versatile. No actual forced time to bike, other than being very low, which getting hit by Din's would save you there.

Also, Zelda on Bowser's Back? lol

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

lul.

Wario's recovery > Din's fire. Too versatile. No actual forced time to bike, other than being very low, which getting hit by Din's would save you there.

Also, Zelda on Bowser's Back? lol

oh... so preventing wario from pulling out his bike without taking an unreturned 15% damage isn't a good thing?

 

[MrEh]

be careful you have your filters on <.<

Well, the internet is definately not short on Zelda pictures, to say the least. >>

Also, Zelda on Bowser's Back? lol

Wario riding on Bowser's back would also be acceptable.

I have only two fetishes in the world. Attractive Princesses and Fat Italian Men.

 

[DMG]

oh... so preventing wario from pulling out his bike without taking an unreturned 15% damage isn't a good thing?

No, frame wise you either start the Din's before he pulls out the bike and you hit him, or if he pulls the bike out and you try to use Din's there he can jump off and airdodge in time. If you want to hit him after he pulls out his bike, you would have to be near the edge when you start it, and if he is recovering high then being near the edge won't let you steer it up as far as you would like. His recovery is too versatile, you can't throw out a Din's whenever you like (too easy to dodge), and at the same time you need to start it before he hops on the bike if you want to hit him (otherwise he can hop off and airdodge).

Din's sucks usually for edgeguarding here, probably a better idea to try and force him to grab the edge and try to punish his options from there.

I have only two fetishes in the world. Attractive Princesses and Fat Italian Men.

Lol. That statement is win sir.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Well, the internet is definately not short on Zelda pictures, to say the least. >>



Wario riding on Bowser's back would also be acceptable.

I have only two fetishes in the world. Attractive Princesses and Fat Italian Men.

oh if only those two fetishes could combine... wait... nevermind... that;s an awful idea.

 

[DMG]

^^^ LMAO! I've seen that Peach pic before (without the Wario edit), that is beautiful.

I'm a little scarred now though. I almost want to drop Wario after seeing that lol.

 

[MrEh]

I like Princesses, and I like Fat Italian Men.

Somehow it's a total loss of wood when the two are combined. ><

 

[S_B]

I have only two fetishes in the world. Attractive Princesses and Fat Italian Men.

Wow, I never thought I'd be someone's fetish on SWF... (guess which one I am ).

As for Bowser, I've found I tend to do pretty well against Zelda players, and while the better ones will camp and attempt to projectile, the BEST ones will be aggressive. Zelda has lots of irritating little attacks that hit multiple times and I find these to be what throws my Bowser game the most.

Din's fire actually isn't usually problematic for me. In fact, I find that if I can run and make the Zelda player miss, it leaves Zelda open for an easy klaw.

I'd focus on hitting Bowser with multi-hits to keep him from retaliating. Use that blasted kick you have as often as you can because Bowser's a big, fat target in the air especially. I wouldn't try to use it on Bowser while he's on the ground, though, because if it's powershielded, you've just set yourself up for a dsmash and a fortress if it isn't powershielded.

Don't bother trying to reflect Bowser's fire: a few bits of flame will be turned back, collide with the other bits of flame and then you will be trapped by the remainder of the fire coming at you. If you do get caught in fire, just get the hell out of it.

I'd almost suggest using Shiek for running up damage on Bowser before switching to Zelda for the finisher, just because Shiek is overall harder to hit and the needles are a more effective projectile than Din's fire on most stages.

 

[MrEh]

I'd almost suggest using Shiek for running up damage on Bowser before switching to Zelda for the finisher, just because Shiek is overall harder to hit and the needles are a more effective projectile than Din's fire on most stages.

I actually think it's better to be Zelda the entire match. My reasoning for that is simple...


Bowser's Jab>Sheik


And yes, I'm serious.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

eh. needles > jab. and jab isin't going to beat out an airborne sheik. or a sheik that's behind you.

 

[MrEh]

eh. needles > jab.

This is true. However...

Jab>half of Sheik's moveset.

and jab isin't going to beat out an airborne sheik. or a sheik that's behind you.

I'm going to be spinning like an idiot. A lot.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

This is true. However...

Jab>half of Sheik's moveset.



I'm going to be spinning like an idiot. A lot.

it certainly stops sheik from making simple approaches. she has to actually think.

and fortress is gay. and not in a good way. stop it. please *wibbles*

I'll probably be relying on sheik's needles and her grab a lot.

 

[MrEh]

and fortress is gay. and not in a good way. stop it. please *wibbles*

The gayer the better. Har har. ^^

I'll probably be relying on sheik's needles and her grab a lot.

Use Needles to force an approach and use grabs to get Bowser in the air. Abuse his blindspot as much as possible.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

The gayer the better. Har har. ^^

HERE HERE!!!!

Use Needles to force an approach and use grabs to get Bowser in the air. Abuse his blindspot as much as possible.

seems like I'm doin it rite then

 

[MrEh]

seems like I'm doin it rite then

Yup, pretty much. On the ground, Bowser is a brick wall to Sheik.

In the air, Bowser's just a big idiot. ^^

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Yup, pretty much. On the ground, Bowser is a brick wall to Sheik.

In the air, Bowser's just a big idiot. ^^

a brick wall that a frail human can poke with needles and throw, but a wall nonetheless.

 

[NinjaLink]

y'all havin fun goin back and forth huh.

 

[MrEh]

y'all havin fun goin back and forth huh.

Nothing gives me greater joy then complaining about Bowser's weaknesses.

 

[NinjaLink]

more DKC2 videos.......anyway....i dont kno what to say so ..um......imma play ninja gaiden now

 

[MrEh]

more DKC2 videos.......

They're coming. You'll see. ^^

 

[RoyalBlood]

How about giving me a bowser ratio already instead of meaningless spamtastic replies

 

[JigglyZelda003]

wasn'tn it like 55:45 Zelda?

and the spam is fun, but it is getting over the top, despite how fun it is to read.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I say 60:40 zelda personally. he's not EASY, but it shouldn't be all so tough to win if you play smart.

 

[MrEh]

I still say 55-45. But that's really up to you.

55-45, 60-40, who cares? It's Bowser after all. ^^

 

[Villi]

Nair and spaced fair/bairs are too good vs Wario. Wario can't pin Zelda down or beat her priority except with bites, which are avoidable and sometimes beatable. Nair, fair/bair, jab, dtilt, fsmash, retreating pivot grabs, retreating aerial Din's will answer all your Wario woes. Just keep yourself moving and lagless, and Wario will have an extremely hard time.

 

[GreyFox86]

All in all I would say 60:40 us over Wario, 60:40 us over Bowser.

Now for a new character. Let it be Sonic this time.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

All in all I would say 60:40 us over Wario, 60:40 us over Bowser.

Now for a new character. Let it be Sonic this time.

estoy de acuerdo on both accounts.

Wario is one of my easier to win matchups as is bowser.

I'm not opposed to snoic next either.

 

[Kataefi]

I personally feel zelda vs bowser is 60:40, but I understand MrEh's points so if we get a summary written on bowser then I'll try and add that even though it may say her advantage, it is actually in the boundaries between 55:45 to 60:40, so that both sides aren't mislead.

I actually think this is one of my favourite matchups now =O I LOVE fighting bowsers! Always so tense!

I vote sonic. I'm having a few problems with him.

EDIT:: I do believe the camping aspect could even it out between her and wario. I believe without it she would be slightly favoured, but the fact he can camp stall if he gets a damage lead certainly evens out the playing field.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

EDIT:: I do believe the camping aspect could even it out between her and wario. I believe without it she would be slightly favoured, but the fact he can camp stall if he gets a damage lead certainly evens out the playing field.

Unless Adam's just really bad at camping, he's still not too hard to catch. even if Wario's incredibly campy, I see it as 55:45 Zelda. I mean, without camping it's very hard for wario. and WITH camping, well he has to get a lead first. and once he does get it he can't keep it well enough to make it his advantage. At least, not considering that he NEEDS a damage advantage to camp.

if wario ahs the damage advantage, it really plays about even whereas when zelda has the advantage, it plays like an advanatge for zelda. and, in my expereinces, it's hard for wario to get that damage advantage.

so ummm... yeah wario is no harder for me than bowser.


for some sonic information, start here and go on for a page or two:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6410765#post6410765

 

[Kataefi]

Yeah I was reading that discussion. Thing is, I can never get the timing of Dtilt right.

 

[Chis]

Read this discussion instead:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5807601#post5807601

 

[Kataefi]

Zelda can play safe as well. If Zelda is getting grabbed alot, she's not playing safe and is either wasting/missing waaaay too many attacks.

Well this about sums me up in this matchup =O

 

[DMG]

Nair and spaced fair/bairs are too good vs Wario. Wario can't pin Zelda down or beat her priority except with bites, which are avoidable and sometimes beatable. Nair, fair/bair, jab, dtilt, fsmash, retreating pivot grabs, retreating aerial Din's will answer all your Wario woes. Just keep yourself moving and lagless, and Wario will have an extremely hard time.

No... just no. Zelda is very vulnerable in the air, she runs slow, isn't exactly good at camping back Wario. Moving doesn't make you that much harder to hit, and in some cases makes you easier to corner.

Unless Adam's just really bad at camping, he's still not too hard to catch. even if Wario's incredibly campy, I see it as 55:45 Zelda. I mean, without camping it's very hard for wario. and WITH camping, well he has to get a lead first. and once he does get it he can't keep it well enough to make it his advantage. At least, not considering that he NEEDS a damage advantage to camp.

if wario ahs the damage advantage, it really plays about even whereas when zelda has the advantage, it plays like an advanatge for zelda. and, in my expereinces, it's hard for wario to get that damage advantage.

so ummm... yeah wario is no harder for me than bowser.


for some sonic information, start here and go on for a page or two:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=6410765#post6410765

... I don't think you people realize how well he can camp her. He moves faster in the air than she can run, and her air game sucks. Tell me how she stops this... How? She can't Usmash/Fsmash/etc if she clearly can't run as fast as he can move, her air game leaves her very open, she can't do much if he tries to DJ airdodge past her...

I'm gonna say it; I think your buddy is bad at camping. If you honestly think it is 55:45 for Zelda when Wario is camping his absolute hardest/best, then I don't think you've played a good enough Wario or you are underestimating his ability to do so severely.

There is no way Bowser and Wario get the same matchup number. Even MrEh, who loves Bowser, would admit that Wario has it wayyyy easier in this matchup than Bowser.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Read this discussion instead:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=5807601#post5807601

ick no. it's not bad discussion or anything, but it's one page long and has untruths in it (only ganon and ike have stronger spikes than zelda for one thing. ness's is stronger at 0 damage, but it doesn't scale as well and falco and tink NEVER have stronger spikes.)

also it seems like most of the opinions from the sonic side have little understanding of zelda at all.

take it with a grain of salt... when I posted there, I had yet to discover the wonderous Dtilt which takes the advanatge from 50:50-55:45 zelda to 55:45-60:40 zelda.

sheik is probably 60:40 alone against sonic BTW and zelda/sheik is 60:40-65:45

I'm gonna say it; I think your buddy is bad at camping. If you honestly think it is 55:45 for Zelda when Wario is camping his absolute hardest/best, then I don't think you've played a good enough Wario or you are underestimating his ability to do so severely.

you're silly. I said it's at least 55:45 all things considered. he can't camp his absolute best until he gets a damage advantage. WITH a damage advantage and camping it's about even, but until he gets that advantage it's zelda's matchup anyway. when you average out "advantage zelda" and "even" you get out "small advantage zelda"

also. stages don't go on forever. once zelda corners wario he's not going to be able to keep running away.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

oops double post.