Zelda Matchup Thread // OUTDATED

[Brinzy]

****, that's a huge killing power difference there. I don't think it's THAT big.

 

[NinjaLink]

u have to bait him to fsmash to get a guaranteed kill....but he doesnt have to fsmash at all.

I'll try to get some vids with Malcolm's wario if anything to help out.

 

[Brinzy]

Yeah, that would definitely help.

 

[-Mars-]

****, that's a huge killing power difference there. I don't think it's THAT big.

His fart not fully charged at like 1 minute I believe kills about 70% before Sonic lol.

 

[Brinzy]

Well that makes sense I guess.

 

[NinjaLink]

also u guys.....theres something about charge moves ppl dont realize yet........they are more powerful when they arent fully charged.......say like 90-99% charged. Being Malcolm does this.....u'll never see it comin cause it kills so early....like 70ish

 

[-Mars-]

It might be a slight exaggeration but i'm not too far off.

Edit: NL I mentioned that in my last post.

 

[Kataefi]

I heard on the DK forums that when he faces the ICs he has to always semi charge an FSmash because it does considerably more knockback, and I wondered if that applied to all characters

 

[NinjaLink]

thats what i was saying. its for all chars........i didnt kno that applies to regular charges only b charge type moves. Good to kno.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

I really think you underestimate Wario and his capabilities. Wario can literally just dance around in the air, i'm sure you know this but i'm pointing it out because he can be played nearly as fast as Sonic with his aerial movement speed.

Wario baits Zelda far easier than Sonic can. With his aerial acceleration and DI, he can fair your shield and retreat without you being able to use usmash OoS. Wario's aerial game is extremely difficult for Zelda to deal with. Wario also racks up damage easier than Sonic and it doesn't matter much anyways since his KO options are vastly superior to Sonics. I also don't see how you could believe that Sonic connects more easily. Sonics approach game is limited to ASC and dash shields since his aerial approaches are lack luster. Wario has safe approach options against Zelda, everytime Sonic approaches he is taking risks.

Not to mention that Wario kills Zelda about 70% before Sonic can.

wario may weave much better... but he just can't close distance or follow up near so well as sonic.... plus his kill moves are harder to connect with.

they are both about the same difficulty wise in my experience... and that's about 55:45 us *shrug*

 

[NinjaLink]

warios uair isnt hard to land really.......

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

warios uair isnt hard to land really.......

no, it isn't, but we have to be in the air above him. Sonic has more options if we don't put ourselves in harms way. his bair and fsmash are more reliable than wario's kill moves.

 

[NinjaLink]

warios uair hits u while ur on the ground.........boy u havent seen warios.......the uair is his WHOLE body not just above him.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

warios uair hits u while ur on the ground.........boy u havent seen warios.......the uair is his WHOLE body not just above him.

I know it does, but it really does not have a lot of range anywhere but above him. if you are below him he's probably not going to hit you with it unless you're napping or exposed for some other reason.

 

[NinjaLink]

He hit me with his *** and the uair connected.

 

[Kataefi]

Gosh, I have to say this... but I absolutely suck in ditto matches =O I can do other dittos like peach and shiek, but zelda ones I find SO HARD. Can we discuss zelda as a matchup sometime soon?

EDIT:: also how you guys finding the new matchup chart layout? Everything's centred and I tried to make it like fox's!

 

[JigglyZelda003]

why not do it next? peach is doing theres

 

[Kataefi]

I think it's luigi next. But maybe zelda after?

 

[JigglyZelda003]

thats fine Zelda dittos, unlike peach ones, i find actually kinda fun sometimes. oh and layout looks good

 

[DMG]

wario may weave much better... but he just can't close distance or follow up near so well as sonic.... plus his kill moves are harder to connect with.

they are both about the same difficulty wise in my experience... and that's about 55:45 us *shrug*

Woah woah woah...

Harder to connect?

He has a 5 frame Waft, a super armor Fsmash, the almighty clap, and you're telling me Sonic can land his kill moves easier? lol.

He doesn't have to be able to run like Sonic to catch up to her; if his air speed is greater than the speed she can run, then I think he can catch up just fine when he needs to.

 

[RoyalBlood]

I was actually thinking of doing Zelda next ^__^ Thanks to the Peach boards ;3

Updating >:D

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Woah woah woah...

Harder to connect?

He has a 5 frame Waft, a super armor Fsmash, the almighty clap, and you're telling me Sonic can land his kill moves easier? lol.

He doesn't have to be able to run like Sonic to catch up to her; if his air speed is greater than the speed she can run, then I think he can catch up just fine when he needs to.

sonic's have range... that's nice.

 

[MorphedChaos]

sonic's have range... that's nice.

Wario has a little more range then sonic actually >.>, well, on his kill moves at least. (BEsides Sonic's Bair, but then that thing is SLOW)

 

[GreyFox86]

Wow, Zelda v Zelda....I'm just gonna say that this match-up is 50:50

There really isn't much to discuss about this other than which player is better and more careful with Zelda's moves.

 

[SwastikaPyle]

This is kind of a waste of a matchup week.

 

[Kataefi]

It doesn't have to be for a week. And although it is 50:50, how would you face another Zelda? Would you go defensive, aggressive? They may be equal skill of course, but one has to approach, so how would you make her approach you? What would you do up close?

I personally think there's lots to talk about this matchup.

 

[GreyFox86]

Well both aggressive and defensive are good, but its quite obvious that approach is the key for this match up.

 

[Villi]

You have to annoy or bait the other Zelda. Also, it's not like her approaches never work. It's just better spacing and mind games that winz.

 

[JigglyZelda003]

You have to annoy or bait the other Zelda. Also, it's not like her approaches never work. It's just better spacing and mind games that winz.

i agree with this. also i think whoevers better at there approaching game also has an edge.

so what about stages? should we go to a bad stage for Zelda and see who holds up better?

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Fear USmash. use farore's against din's... go for edgeguards... use uair lots.... anything more?

 

[-Mars-]

Sonics kill moves are all extremely slow and telegraphed. Not only does he have a hard time killing at a decent percent, he has plenty of trouble getting one of his slow *** smashes or his bair to connect.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Sonics kill moves are all extremely slow and telegraphed. Not only does he have a hard time killing at a decent percent, he has plenty of trouble getting one of his slow *** smashes or his bair to connect.

compared to wario? no he can't kill as early. but he wracks up damage hella better and his moves may be slow, but if placed correctly they'll punish zelda very well.

 

[-Mars-]

compared to wario? no he can't kill as early. but he wracks up damage hella better and his moves may be slow, but if placed correctly they'll punish zelda very well.

Meh, I guess i'll just agree to disagree. I personally feel like Wario is far harder than Sonic. Either the Sonic matchup should be changed to our favor, or we should give Wario an advantage on us.

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

Meh, I guess i'll just agree to disagree. I personally feel like Wario is far harder than Sonic. Either the Sonic matchup should be changed to our favor, or we should give Wario an advantage on us.

I'm sure the reason that I think sonic is harder is because the sonic I play is better than the warios I most often play. in both cases, the matchup is pretty close.

I say they both hover around 55:45 our avantage. if you insist they're different, maybe one is slightly harder than 55:45 and the other slightly easier. either way, neither has the advantage on us from any expereince I've had at least

 

[NinjaLink]

compared to wario? no he can't kill as early. but he wracks up damage hella better and his moves may be slow, but if placed correctly they'll punish zelda very well.

wait till a wario does dair to bite, uair to uair.........got urself about 45% T_T

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

wait till a wario does dair to bite, uair to uair.........got urself about 45% T_T

that can't be unescapable. <.<

 

[NinjaLink]

that can't be unescapable. <.<

U do so much work to do damage......then Malcolm just does 4 hits and its 60%.......aint cool man.....

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

U do so much work to do damage......then Malcolm just does 4 hits and its 60%.......aint cool man.....

just get used to it. without walls or a lot of luck, zelda doesn't really have combos T_T

 

[NinjaLink]

just get used to it. without walls or a lot of luck, zelda doesn't really have combos T_T

she does but wario we kno is hard to hit.........and so much work to hit him......

 

[Sonic The Hedgedawg]

she does but wario we kno is hard to hit.........and so much work to hit him......

most of zelda's matchups that are already bad are made worse by the fact that they are hard to combo actually. (stupid marth up+B)