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I expected a lot of people would come and be a bit surprised... which turned out to be true. This thread is there to attract all the spam that would have otherwise made it into other threads. It's also for people to argue/support the tier drop.
You act like this isn't an open public forum. People who (smartly) have never touched your character have just as much input on the character's placement than people who commit themselves to such an obviously horrible character. Locking anything that isnt a circle jerk will just cause your character to stifle even moreso.
Before this gets out of hand I'll just requote this. Applies to everyone.
We're not in pre-school, I don't think anyone bragged lol
I actually thought she was pretty beast when I picked her up I was like WOW dtiltz, usmaaaAsh, DINZ! But then of course you streamline your gameplay to the metagame and suddenly realise you get outcamped 9 times out of 10 and everything gets that much harder. It's a slow process but it happens
I think a good discussion to start is whether Brawl Zelda is worse off than her Melee counterpart, because this is what the tier list is now suggesting.
I'm not seeing how anything changed. I was bringing up the point that discussing things that people might find unpleasant is as much if not moreso a part of a character's development as sitting around being self-aggrandizing. Seeing as how I brought up the same point months ago and since then the character's only continued on a downward spiral, it might be pragmatic to actually address the not so stellar points of the character and understand that if the goal of this board is to actually drudge what is honestly considered by a lot of experienced players the single worst character in the game back upward, people are going to have to start pinpointing glaring flaws and finding discussi\ng ways around it. Seeing as how the only topic to do this in recent weeks in a serious manner is deus's and the last post was 2 weeks ago, I'm not just blowing hot air here. Applying arbitrary number values to matchups instead of treating your character as she is, a low tier character with a great need of in-depth analysis will just cause her to decline moreso, as unlikely as it may seem.
This isn't true at all - I've always allowed heated discussion and arguments. If you'd like Mars we can go through some of the locked threads on the xat and you can point out to me where and when they all started to derail.
I apologize that post sounded like it was directed towards you.
Who's would? A friend of yours? Quite a strange name if so, I must say.
Sorry? lol
lol I like this goal :D
So I recommend you enter singles, god forbid we face off....
Don't forget about Sonic, thought he went down this time, he's still pretty much played.
Just adding to this because I played Zelda in Melee.
In Melee she had Fair and Bair thus she had a much better air game which helped her A LOT. Approaching was also a less big deal than it was in Brawl, making one of her weaknesses smaller, not to mention she had a better air game that also helped her. She was pretty bad at comboing, but she had high kill power and she was one of the hardest ones to combo. She was still very vulnerable to camping due to her bad mobility, but at least she had wavedashing, even though her wavedash was not so good.
Her smashes are a bit worse. Her Usmash is no way as good as Brawl, Her Fsmash seems to be a littler weaker in Brawl (nor sure), but it was pretty easy to DI out of in Melee and her Dsmash was weaker.
Her Dtilt is worse in Melee as it is slower and doesn't 'stun' as much as in Brawl. Her Ftilt was better in Melee, because she could at least combo with it and kill at higher percentages. Utilt is a bit weaker than in Brawl, but you could start some combos. Her Dash Attack is pretty much the same I think, not sure about this. Her Jab had more range in Melee and it may also be faster, I don't know about that. Jab just feels better in Melee ;p.
Her air game is a lot better in Melee. Fair and Bair are lovely! You could survive on those two alone. Uair is weaker, but has more range. I think Dair has a bigger sourspot but smaller sweetspot, not sure about this. Nair is somewhat worse, as it has less range and easy to DI out of.
Nayru's Love's last hitbox doesn't connect as often as in Brawl (which is bad, because the opponents won't get hit away and can punish Zelda), but Nayru's Love seems to have more range. Dins Fire is even slower and has a smaller hitbox. It's even worse than in Brawl. Farore's Wind covers more distance in Melee but it doesn't have that last hitbox as in Brawl.
I'm not sure which one is better, especially because I know very little about Melee and Melee Zelda, but this is what I've observed, and I think that Melee Zelda is a bit better.
What about SONIC?? He's a huge fanboy character.
If you came around for more than 5 seconds, you'd see that we are always being slandered against by other mains. We're used to it, but we don't just take it either.
Thiiiiss!
