Worst move in the entire game?

[zeldspazz]

My dearest apologies, this is last time I shall post in this dying and shriveling thread, as I am not worthy to post in the same thread, no, the same website, as Sir Straked, Sir Frown, and Sir S.O.L.I.D of the SWF. I am truly unworthy to stand in your presence. Good day.

Oh, and seriously, what does everyone spell my username wrong =)

 

[AlphaInBrawl]

Falcon kick no doubt.

 

[Omnicron's Baklava Enterprises]

Falcon Kick, are you insane?

I'd have to say Sing, if you accidentally use it, you're dead.

 

[Tommy_G]

Falcon kick is the only move where the user gets punished for contacting with it...

Except for maybe Falco's up smash at low percents but that move eventually kills....kinda...

 

['V']

Ganon's U-tilt.

 

[GwJ]

Do you people even read the thread anymore?

 

[Abbra Cadav3r]

yeah i agree ganons u-tilt is horrendous and unusable. a close second would be ganons warlock kick.

 

[lordvaati]

I'm from the Melee side, so I can't vouch much, but I have to say this: there is no real "bad" moves. every move has some sort of purpose for the character in some sort of way, so i don't believe that any move can be truly bad. have a lot of disadvantages? yes, but every move has a positive aspect installed into it.

I'd have to say Sing, if you accidentally use it, you're dead.

sing (sometimes) works as an edgeguard, and usually sets them up for a F-smash.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Sorry to have revived this thread.

Mario's DTilt may be a bad move, but it isn't the worst. It's probably on par with Ganon's DSmash as the worst. Let's compare the two.

Ganon's DSmash hits at frame 16, has 20 frames of lag after the first kick, and 27 frames of lag after the second. So, overall, it has about 47 frames of lag. It does 5% damage with the first kick, and 14% damage with the second kick.

Mario's DTilt starts at frame 7, I'm not sure when it finishes (but I'm positive it ends waay before 47 frames of lag). It does 5% damage unsweetspotted, and another 2% onto that if sweetspotted.

Ganon's DSmash has alot more range, and power, but it DOES NOT kill. Unless you want to consider 185% a kill percentage.

Right now, Ganon's DSmash does infact look better, it does more damage overall, and has more range. Though, that could all change, just cause of one major flaw in the move. The second hit is airdodgable. Ganon's DSmash turns into a crappy move like Mario's DTilt, but worse, just because the second hit is airdodgable.

Both moves do 5%, however Ganon's move comes out 9 frames slower, both moves put the character using it in a bad place (considering a airdodge is done after the first kick of Ganon's DSmash).

The only difference now is that Ganon's Dsmash is slower, and has more lag to punish. Mario's DTilt has less range.

 

[Frown]

Nah. His second kick can still hit the opponent. Dsmashes are always good for punishing rolls.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Nah. His second kick can still hit the opponent. Dsmashes are always good for punishing rolls.

Oh, really? I wonder why King Dedede isn't the best character in the game. His FSmash is so uber, it could punish rolls.

To reply to your quote seriously, no.

 

[Frown]

Oh, really? I wonder why King Dedede isn't the best character in the game. His FSmash is so uber, it could punish rolls.

To reply to your quote seriously, no.

Well, what other attack hits both sides of Ganondorf?

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Well, what other attack hits both sides of Ganondorf?

The point isn't whether a attack could hit both behind you and in front of you, it's how the attack works that matters.

 

[Frown]

Please note that I'm not saying his dsmash is a good move, I just think it has some situational uses.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Please note that I'm not saying his dsmash is a good move, I just think it has some situational uses.

And so does Mario's DTilt. You could use it on the edge of a stage to restrain hugging the ledge, and follow up with a FSmash. That's just one example.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Sheiks f-tilt is the worst move in the game. I mean, just look at when it kills. It is horrible.

 

[Adler]

^You are joking. Aren't you?

 

[Frown]

^You are joking. Aren't you?

Of course he is. It is obvious that Mario's dtilt is worse.

 

[Adler]

^ Phew

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

When I think of movesets, I center my thoughts on Special Moves, or Spells, so those are what I'll choose from. If there's one spell I can't cast very well, it's Zero Suit Samus' Flip Jump.

 

[Matador]

Ray, why do you hate Ganon so much? it like...really depresses me.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Ray, why do you hate Ganon so much? it like...really depresses me.

If I "hate" him so much, I wouldn't be using him competitively. I'm just stating true facts.

 

[Matador]

If I "hate" him so much, I wouldn't be using him competitively. I'm just stating true facts.

You seem so motivated to convince everyone that he is the worst character in the game in nearly every respect. It's one thing to state facts, but you seem like you're going out of your way to make Ganon look ****tier than he already is.

Either way, my vote is still Mario's dtilt. The hitstun is too low for it to be a safe move even when it connects. You can almost always punish it whenever a Mario lands it on you. What's worse, Dsmash is superior in every way. There is no reason you'll ever need to use Dtilt over any other attack in Mario's arsenal.

 

[Coney]

You seem so motivated to convince everyone that he is the worst character in the game in nearly every respect. It's one thing to state facts, but you seem like you're going out of your way to make Ganon look ****tier than he already is.

Either way, my vote is still Mario's dtilt. The hitstun is too low for it to be a safe move even when it connects. You can almost always punish it whenever a Mario lands it on you. What's worse, Dsmash is superior in every way. There is no reason you'll ever need to use Dtilt over any other attack in Mario's arsenal.

posting because i just realized that "****tier" and "**** tier" have only a space separating the two

sorry, i thought that was amusing

 

[Matador]

posting because i just realized that "****tier" and "**** tier" have only a space separating the two

sorry, i thought that was amusing

Lmfao, thanks for pointing that out. I bet Ray will make that his next point.

 

[saviorslegacy]

^You are joking. Aren't you?

nope...


In all seriousness Sheik and Snake have the best f-tilts in the game.

^ Phew

10char?

When I think of movesets, I center my thoughts on Special Moves, or Spells, so those are what I'll choose from. If there's one spell I can't cast very well, it's Zero Suit Samus' Flip Jump.

did you just call B moves spells!?!? lol, that's ah first. I take it you play WoW or Elder Scrolls.
(I personally prefer Elder Scrolls... probably the best game ever made.)

You seem so motivated to convince everyone that he is the worst character in the game in nearly every respect. It's one thing to state facts, but you seem like you're going out of your way to make Ganon look ****tier than he already is.

Either way, my vote is still Mario's dtilt. The hitstun is too low for it to be a safe move even when it connects. You can almost always punish it whenever a Mario lands it on you. What's worse, Dsmash is superior in every way. There is no reason you'll ever need to use Dtilt over any other attack in Mario's arsenal.

He is not convincing people of what they already know. He is just stating why Ganon has a bad match up on every character in the game except for CF and another Ganon.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

just have a general interest in the fantasy setting, not one game in particular. I'd also choose The Elder Scrolls over World of Warcraft, because I like console games better than MMO's.

Remember this quote?
Blizzard Manager 1: Do you have a World of Warcraft account?
Blizzard Manager 2: No. I have a life.

In terms of Ganondorf, I can use all his standard moves except for his up-A attack. The delay takes too long and I don't know how to cancel it.

Other Specials or Spells I can't cast very well:
FLUDD Nozzle (I can't deal any damage. I'm better off with the Smash attacks)
Sing (Sleep effect doesn't last long enough)
Oil Panic (I can never save up enough energy Spells from enemies)

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=218628

Clarifacation for sing's uselessness.

 

[Vecayse]

I'd say Ganon's Utilt. I've yet to connect that thing.

 

[Marthos]

I'm no expert, but I have occasionally gotten Ganon's Utilt to connect with people coming up from the edge.

 

[Noobicidal]

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=218628

Clarifacation for sing's uselessness.

Shame you didn't link Veril's thread on how sing can give us infinite jumps, extend our ledge grab range, etc...

Side note, my post was epic.

 

[Atomsk_92]

Luigi's angled down foward tilt. It can't even kill you at 999% due to having no knockback + it's slow.

 

[DKwill]

Not sure if anybody picked up on this, but DK's aerial down b.... ROFL

 

[Noobicidal]

Not sure if anybody picked up on this, but DK's aerial down b.... ROFL

Well on this note, you could also throw in any of PT's aerial down b's and Diddy's down b if two bananas are on stage already.

 

[BSP]

just have a general interest in the fantasy setting, not one game in particular. I'd also choose The Elder Scrolls over World of Warcraft, because I like console games better than MMO's.

Remember this quote?
Blizzard Manager 1: Do you have a World of Warcraft account?
Blizzard Manager 2: No. I have a life.

In terms of Ganondorf, I can use all his standard moves except for his up-A attack. The delay takes too long and I don't know how to cancel it.

Other Specials or Spells I can't cast very well:
FLUDD Nozzle (I can't deal any damage. I'm better off with the Smash attacks)
Sing (Sleep effect doesn't last long enough)
Oil Panic (I can never save up enough energy Spells from enemies)

If you think F.L.U.D.D. is not that great you haven't tried hard enough. Oil Panic bad? Bucket Braking could be considered usefull, and it helps stop some projectile spam.

 

[M-WUZ-H3R3]

Shame you didn't link Veril's thread on how sing can give us infinite jumps, extend our ledge grab range, etc...

Side note, my post was epic.

True, forgot about that. But it's not a game breaking trick because it's not going to come in handy often. I'm not saying it wasn't an amazing discovery, (because it was) but it's not something I plan on doing every other 5 matches.

It looks like you're defending rest. Following in Rhed's footsteps?

 

[smashkng]

Oil Panic is amazing in doubles when the partner is for example Zero Suit Samus. 3 ZSS dsmashes and the Bucket is a OHKO.

 

[A~Kid/ToonethLinkage]

Mario's DTilt and Squirtles Down B.

/thread

 

[iDeo]

Jigg's d-tilt. Has no real purpose watsoever.

 

[ssbbFICTION]

Mario's dtilt. At least squirtle's down b is good vs marth on FD.