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Wobbling Compromise
- Thread starter Ballistics
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KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
there is no reason to govern the game with rules that lie outside the game. unless they protect the integrity of the game.
the best anti wobbling argument ive heard: wobbling is hella gay, although there is no reason it should be banned.
the best anti wobbling argument ive heard: wobbling is hella gay, although there is no reason it should be banned.
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
I don't understand why the technical difficulty keeps coming up in a lot of half-baked arguments. Who the **** cares if you can do it with a TV on or not? At this point most people are just arguing points that are completely irrelevant to whether this technique should be banned or not. (which it shouldn't)
StealthyGunnar
Smash Champion
**** me...The ban of wobbling is just ridiculous; how bout you guys just don't get grabbed?
Ballistics
Smash Champion
Yea this is the problem we are trying to fix
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
So, what's your argument?
That punishments need to be difficult to perform. Well does it increase the depth of the game? If a technique requires 5 hours of practice does that make it any more or less destructive to the metagame if it overcentralizes the metagame then one that needs 5 minutes of practice?
If it renders the entire cast non-viable, it still renders the entire cast non-viable, if the technique does nothing to change MUs it does nothing to change MUs.
As far as that example stage, you realize that FD isn't the best stage to make that point, right? It's not exactly the most neutral stage. And furthermore walls come with issues well beyond simply fox.
But, that stage would definitely be a CP at least, Fox's shine is far easier to land then an IC grab from a mix-up potential POV. Would it need to be banned? Probably not.
Overall the crux of your argument is that punishments shouldn't be that easy, but all that actually gives us is placing an arbitrary technical barrier to separate the "good players" from the "scrubs". But why is that necessary? This game has plenty of them, and if you wanna separate yourselves from the scrubs, showing up at the victory screen is ultimately what matters.
EC is amazing... but we ban everything and their mothers.
PottyJokes
Smash Apprentice
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alright ban wobbling and ban jiggs while we're at it. everyone wins.
it will definitely never be fixed lol
if wobbling had a mother she would def be over powered
jugfingers
Smash Champion
although I think banning wobbling is legit.
beating a dirty wobbler is probably more satisfying.
beating a dirty wobbler is probably more satisfying.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
banning things unnecessarily is silly
anybody who says otherwise is a scrub
anybody who says otherwise is a scrub
the issue vro is bringing up is an interesting one actually
wobbling is the only tactic/combo/infinite/whatever you want to call it that the other player is legitimately not playing for the duration of the tactic. theres no DI, no teching, not even mashing out.
just something i think is interesting, and does legitimately separate wobbling from other tactics
i'd rather freeze glitch was on above wobbling though, at least freeze glitch is funny and you can potentially smash DI up and automatically win the match if youre up a stock
wobbling is the only tactic/combo/infinite/whatever you want to call it that the other player is legitimately not playing for the duration of the tactic. theres no DI, no teching, not even mashing out.
just something i think is interesting, and does legitimately separate wobbling from other tactics
i'd rather freeze glitch was on above wobbling though, at least freeze glitch is funny and you can potentially smash DI up and automatically win the match if youre up a stock
Niko45
Smash Master
I don't want to watch IC dittos for grand finals of Pound 5, thanks. Ban it.
Also this is not a serious argument, please don't jump on the "it's not about what you want to watch!" bandwagon.
Also this is not a serious argument, please don't jump on the "it's not about what you want to watch!" bandwagon.
actually, if theyre doing the dtilt version, you have 1 frame to imput an action every cycle. in that sense ur playing. also, on dreamland the wind ****s it up. and fox waveshine on ps you arent playing either. but as far as im concerned, digging for obsure facts like "im not di'ing" and "you could have the tv off/whack off/hula hoop/whatever" stuff is desperate.
Devil Ray
Smash Lord
freeze glitch is hilarious. saroush!
btw, wobbling is slightly hard bc of the timing, but it's easier than wave-shining for sure. broken tactic. pro-ban, yo.
Niko45
Smash Master
I don't want to watch IC dittos for grand finals of Pound 5, thanks. Ban it.
Also this is not a serious argument, please don't jump on the "it's not about what you want to watch!" bandwagon.
Also this is not a serious argument, please don't jump on the "it's not about what you want to watch!" bandwagon.
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Im with ballistics and PB&J
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
Or, wobblin can only be used a certain amount of times per set, or match.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
why don't you go jump off a bridge?
what i meant was that walls + fox dont make you play any different. if you stand right next to the wall/tree as part of your strategy.............you're probably doing it wrong. the only time i have ever been afraid of a fox infinite is on the LEFT side of stadium during the fire transformation.
if you ever get caught in a fox infinite on stadium. you ****ed up so big, like.......the state of California big. getting grabbed? lol it happens. anyone who says other wise is saying fox infinite shine = same likelihood as getting grabbed.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
*imagines meeting wobbling's mother*
Wobbling: This is my mom, Fox's shine.
Hello, nice to meet you Mrs. Shine.
*to myself, ****, PC Jona was right*
Wobbling's mom (whispered out of earshot of wobbling): He always was a bit of an underachiever.
Wait, I thought Melee-only players thought brawlers were scrubs for considering banning MK.
My mind is now blown.
Seriously though, MK has yet to be proven overcentralizing.
IC dittos are fun, nobody can CG anybody!
Seriously though, if wobbling made ICs the top char, I would eat my hat or something.
Most characters have the tools to avoid being grabbed , especially the viable characters.
On the other hand, never getting shined, that's a tall order.
Not getting shined on PS early enough in the transformation to result in a 0-death while you're in a position to be multi-shined... not so much.
homie...
metaknight is definitely the gayest character to ever be in smash
thats like melee jiggs ,fox,falco,marth,sheik and doc x10
but in brawl
S l o X
Smash Champion
why the **** are people comparing shine to wobbling?
there completely different things, at least after getting shined you actually HAVE options. after you get grabbed, there's no hope.
yes, i said it.
no /hope
there completely different things, at least after getting shined you actually HAVE options. after you get grabbed, there's no hope.
yes, i said it.
no /hope
Pengie
Smash Lord
Ya after you get shined you have so many options: you can get shined again, upsmashed, grabbed, tech-chased, or arialed. Those all seem like great options >_>.
Ballistics
Smash Champion
Freeze glitch should not be compared to wobbling because it is a glitch that breaks the mechanics of the game, wobbling is merely utilizing your character to inflict damage. These two things cannot be compared just because they both immobilize the opponent. Haha I know bigD be joking though.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
idk, immoblizing your opponent? seems pretty similar. both end it giant percentage gains for the IC and will end in a death.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
yeah you're definitely a scrub for wanting to ban metaknight
but let's not even get into that brawl ****
my point is that you're a scrub.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
oh also, the "compromise" of allowing wobbling to be legal, but the IC's can only CP neutral stages in not a compromise. the IC's dont lose anything.
please remove the from the OP as anyone believes that is a compromise is a fool or ignorant of anything about IC's and those who propose it/support it are intentionally being deceitful.
find me an IC player who CP's brinstar or RC regularly and ill show you a n00b who doesnt know AT's.
please remove the from the OP as anyone believes that is a compromise is a fool or ignorant of anything about IC's and those who propose it/support it are intentionally being deceitful.
find me an IC player who CP's brinstar or RC regularly and ill show you a n00b who doesnt know AT's.
Brightside6382
Smash Lord
Why does it matter if the other person is able to "play" or not? What your saying is once IC's get the grab and are able to setup the infinite the other person gets combo'd to death. How is this any different from when Falcon grabs Marth and can get auto-knee's? This isn't an "interesting point" but rather an arbitrary fact that is being magnified.
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
up-throw knee = wobbling.
youre right, how could we be so blind.
auto combos = wobbling guys. lets all go home.
youre right, how could we be so blind.
auto combos = wobbling guys. lets all go home.
Ballistics
Smash Champion
Wait its not like that. The ice climbers get to wobble a limited percent, he says 5 dtilts (could be up for discussion) , and in return for not being able to wobble until you can kill the guy, the guy your playing forfeits the right to take you to a stage like brinstar.
I think I remember M2K and Chudat having a similar compromise. It was no wobbling in exchange for neutral counterpicks. Wasn't this the ORIGINAL gentleman's rule?
Roneblaster
Smash Hero
sooooooo like i said. its not a compromise. IC's wont CP you to brinstar.
Lovage
Smash Hero
i am absolutely fine with no wobbling in exchange for no gay stages
since i hate both of those things
since i hate both of those things
Ballistics
Smash Champion
Yes but one way is unnatural to the game and one way is natural