Why is Bowser such an unpopular character choice?

[Mario Zelda Fan]

Lol, sorry, I got a little carried away. Your post was pretty accurate now that I look at it though. It was just really brought down by the others that happened to be posted at around the same time.

It's alright. What did you mean by lurking though? And I haven't heard of GFAQs lol. I'm from NintendoPals.net and Nintendopolis.net.

On-topic: Bowser is extremely slow and unagile, but he compensates for this with immense power.

 

[.AC.]

Do all the good Smash players frequent GFAQs then?

did i ever say so?

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

My friends hate him because apparently he is too slow and has bad air movement.
Personally I am not too fond of Bowser myself because of the same reasons, but his power is impressive.

Well Bowser's a big target.. IMO I think it's cause he's so slow, and really big, thus making him an easy target. And he isn't agile at all, contributing more to how much of a big target he is.

On-topic: Bowser is extremely slow and unagile, but he compensates for this with immense power.

BOWSER IS NOT SLOW

When will people finally get this through their heads? If you ignore his good attacks and spam smashes, then he's slow. His smashes are very rarely good. His tilts are pretty fast and very devastating, though. His aerial movement is decent and his F and Bair come out fast. Fortress has invincibility frames 1-5 and the hitbox comes out at 5. Bowser is in no way slow. Try ganon; he's slow (fastest move: frame 8).

 

[.AC.]

he doesnt have more than a couple of good matchups and he has a nearly unwinnable matchup,he is playable but there arent many advantages to playing him.

 

[JOE!]

he doesnt have more than a couple of good matchups and he has a nearly unwinnable matchup,he is playable but there arent many advantages to playing him.

the thing about that is, he has essentially "ok" matchups accross the board, with a few advantages here and there, then DDD, The ocasional Diddy, and the ICs if they get a grab in

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

he doesnt have more than a couple of good matchups and he has a nearly unwinnable matchup,he is playable but there arent many advantages to playing him.

THIS is a problem that needs to be fixed; a new guy shows up here, looks at bowser's matchups, thinks "I'm not really interested in playing a loser with almost no good matchups" and leaves. Maybe find ones with high-tiers we can actually win? Like what about that MK matchup.

 

[Hobobloke]

.......OR we lie and put all the matchups 90:10 in our favour.

 

[B!squick]

did i ever say so?

It was the only part of my statement you could be refering to when you contradicted me, so yes, you did.

he doesnt have more than a couple of good matchups and he has a nearly unwinnable matchup,he is playable but there arent many advantages to playing him.

Sure there are. You never see Bowser in tournament, so absolutely no one know how to play him and then they get wrecked from being over aggressive. He's also one of MK's bad match ups (for MK). And he's Bowser, that's the biggest advantage.

He also goes 70:30 against Snake, he's a good counter for him.

 

[JOE!]

70:30

or

70:30?

 

[TKD]

the thing about that is, he has essentially "ok" matchups accross the board, with a few advantages here and there, then DDD, The ocasional Diddy, and the ICs if they get a grab in

"OK" is 5/5. And no, Bowser's not 45/55 vs MK LOL...

Sure there are. You never see Bowser in tournament, so absolutely no one know how to play him and then they get wrecked from being over aggressive. He's also one of MK's bad match ups (for MK). And he's Bowser, that's the biggest advantage.

He also goes 70:30 against Snake, he's a good counter for him.

...What's wrong with you?

 

[.AC.]

It was the only part of my statement you could be refering to when you contradicted me, so yes, you did.



Sure there are. You never see Bowser in tournament, so absolutely no one know how to play him and then they get wrecked from being over aggressive. He's also one of MK's bad match ups (for MK). And he's Bowser, that's the biggest advantage.

He also goes 70:30 against Snake, he's a good counter for him.

do you really believe you are anywhere close to having such matchups? i guess this could be why bowser is such an unpopular character choice,when their character boards make such ridicoulous statements.Of all the characters proposed to go even with mk,bowser is the least likely to be close to even with him,even the other characters are unlikely to be even with him.

 

[Thunderbolt333]

do you really believe you are anywhere close to having such matchups? i guess this could be why bowser is such an unpopular character choice,when their character boards make such ridicoulous statements.Of all the characters proposed to go even with mk,bowser is the least likely to be close to even with him,even the other characters are unlikely to be even with him.

And you wasn't making ridicoulous statements?last time I checked 45:55 on MK is pretty much even.

"OK" is 5/5. And no, Bowser's not 45/55 vs MK LOL...

yes it is.

 

[B!squick]

@Joe: 70/30 Bowser's favor.

@Random scrubs scrubbing it up:

He has a grab release chain grab on MK during a ground a release, a FAir on the airbourne one and MK has no projectile to force Bowser to approach. These things add up to awesome for Bowser.

And do you say a glass is six tenths full? Hell no, you say it's about half full. 60/40 = about even or ok.

 

[.AC.]

@Joe: 70/30 Bowser's favor.

@Random scrubs scrubbing it up:

He has a grab release chain grab on MK during a ground a release, a FAir on the airbourne one and MK has no projectile to force Bowser to approach. These things add up to awesome for Bowser.

And do you say a glass is six tenths full? Hell no, you say it's about half full. 60/40 = about even or ok.

bowser is nowhere near even with mk,and its just wrong to think you have such big advantage over snake.

 

[B!squick]

What makes it not even then? Just the fact that he's MK? So far you've offered no rebuttal other than whining.

And it would only be wrong to think the Snake match up was like that if it was wrong, but it's not, so it's quite correct.

 

[JOE!]

bowser is nowhere near even with mk,and its just wrong to think you have such big advantage over snake.

lets look over some stuffs:

MK usually gets his easy kills horizontally, guess who live sthe longest in that direction

MK is rather light, and Bowser has ko moves out the arse

Bowser has an infinate on MK

Firebreath and Ftilt stop many of his attacks


Just some points

 

[pacmansays]

I haven't played in any tournaments so I'm not going to be the best person for this but I've noticed that Bowser does has a slight advantage over Snake...

Both are strongest on the ground but Bowser has a slightly bigger range giving him priority in a lot of moves...

The only problem to overcome is that Bowser is a larger target and so might fall prey to Snake's projectiles a little more

 

[HammerBro123]

i think hes unpopular because he isnt the best character 2 play i mean some of his matchups r crappy but the metaknight is 55 45 so that rises him so i would think he would at least be in the b tier with pikachu or maby higher or just a little lower i relly dont think people give him enough credit. But i think he might sky rocket in the next tier list

 

[B!squick]

Firebreath > 'Nade camping

Seriously, the 'nades get pushed back at him.

 

[Thunderbolt333]

lol I think you ran them off jay.

 

[B!squick]

They'll be back. They always come back...

 

[Thunderbolt333]

*sprays the bowser boards down with a anti scrub repellent*No they won't

 

[K.K_Slider]

Why must boozer be so unloved? Seriously, Captain Falcon is like lowest tier in the game and he gets more love than boozer, and boozer competes with Ganondorf for Nintendo's main money making villain. Yet for some reason the Bowser boards sans a few threads are as dead as a western ghost town.

 

[.AC.]

lets look over some stuffs:

MK usually gets his easy kills horizontally, guess who live sthe longest in that direction

MK is rather light, and Bowser has ko moves out the arse

Bowser has an infinate on MK

Firebreath and Ftilt stop many of his attacks


Just some points

compare that to mk´s advantages over bowser,its not funny anymore your character boards think that you are anywhere close to having even matchups against mk or snake, i guess maybe after all you are all not being serious.

 

[Thunderbolt333]

guess it didn't work

 

[Skyshroud]

compare that to mk´s advantages over bowser,its not funny anymore your character boards think that you are anywhere close to having even matchups against mk or snake, i guess maybe after all you are all not being serious.

You're forgetting the most important advantage: MKs don't play against good Bowsers. Regardless of what the matchup may be, it actually plays kind of even for a while because you should know they matchup and they won't.

 

[.AC.]

You're forgetting the most important advantage: MKs don't play against good Bowsers. Regardless of what the matchup may be, it actually plays kind of even for a while because you should know they matchup and they won't.

so your biggest advantage is the other player not knowing the matchup?wow so reliable.

 

[JOE!]

compare that to mk´s advantages over bowser,its not funny anymore your character boards think that you are anywhere close to having even matchups against mk or snake, i guess maybe after all you are all not being serious.

disjointed hitboxes that we can outrange

fast attacks...we have em too
(when dealing with a prickly pear you use the claw...)
good airials < Airial klaw


etc, etc

 

[.AC.]

bowser is a mediocre character,he is nowhere close to having an even matchup with mk or countering snake,there is no need to make things up and make him look better by theorycrafting.

 

[Low Rider1717]

bowser is a mediocre character

lol
goes even with alot of the high tiers, has grab release, the koopa klaw, ******** range in his moves, great priority.
he is just underused
ya

 

[Hobobloke]

.AC. Do you mind not coming in purely to flame Bowser and saying pointless things with no evidence, I have no problem with you filling the IC's board with stupid posts and cluttering it up but don't do it here.

 

[auroreon]

.AC., you are obviously completely clueless about Bowser. I can understand why though, the ratio of terrible Bowsers to Good bowsers is very depressing. But if and when you ever face a really good bowser, only then will you be able to pass judgement on the character.
It is very difficult to see Bowser as anything of a threat, or even as anymore more than a joke if you haven't experienced what the character is actually capable of.
This I think is the actual reason why Bowser is so neglected... a very ironic catch 22 type situation. I can only hope that the few great Bowser players out there can inspire people into picking up the character and actually playing him competantly.
Then again... matbe there will just be even more awful Bowsers making him look like a bad character.
I have played so many Bowsers and the only great Bowser I have ever faced is IxisNaugus, play him and you will understand why people claim the MK matchup as even.

 

[Hobobloke]

I've Inspired some people in my community to stop being tier whores and pick up a low tier character, I feel special.

 

[Skyshroud]

so your biggest advantage is the other player not knowing the matchup?wow so reliable.

Actually, it is, since there are plenty of you willing to dismiss him without a look. Thanks for being the kinda guy to prove me right.

The point I'm trying to make is that we have a huge advantage from being a surprise. If you watched any of the vids of Ally's CF vs. M2K (playing Meta), you'd know what I mean. Ally almost won those matches and we all know that it's nowhere near even.

The fact is, we don't really have good ratios because we don't have a whole lot of good footage for Bowsers who know how to play MKs vs. MKs who know how to play Bowsers.

 

[Thunderbolt333]

bowser is a mediocre character,he is nowhere close to having an even matchup with mk or countering snake,there is no need to make things up and make him look better by theorycrafting.

all you do is "theorycraft" you know nothing about bowser.

 

[B!squick]

Omni, if memory serves, won a major tournament with Bowser.

Ixis, get to work please. You're the only major tourny Bowser player (that I know of) outside of Hawaii. You need to win one for the Bowser Boards, man, to help put a stop to this non-sense.

 

[Ixisnaugus]

Omni, if memory serves, won a major tournament with Bowser.

Ixis, get to work please. You're the only major tourny Bowser player (that I know of) outside of Hawaii. You need to win one for the Bowser Boards, man, to help put a stop to this non-sense.

Lol. Well i'm still trying to freshen up my workarounds for the rock solid counters, Lyon is creeping ever closer. Most EU tournaments don't have much of an influence, but i'm aware that so long as i get the videos and the results I can strengthen that influence of the EU scene, myself and other great players, but most importantly, Bowser. I can only do my best, let's hope that's enough.

Never mind people like .AC. it's usually people with his mindset that i end up obliterating at tournaments anyway.

 

[Hobobloke]

How many people do you get in your tournaments over there Ixis?

 

[auroreon]

At small monthly fests its only about 20, the larger monthlies have around 50 attendance and big european tourneys have like 100-200.
I think TSL will have an attendance around 200.

 

[Thunderbolt333]

Mabe I'll do well enough at Herb to bump bowser up a lil