Why doesn't X pokemon get Y attack/ability/typing?

[Golem the Stern Father]

If it can learn Sludge, it's definately capable of learning Gunk Shot. Weezing, that is.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Do all Pokemon capable of learning Sludge get Sludge Bomb?

I just thought of that since we're talking about Poison-types.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

No.

I just though that if Aipom, Snorlax, Linoone, Pachirisu, Primape, Delibird, and Mantine can learn Gunk Shot, Weezing would be able to. It should be able to shoot gunk out of external locations.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Delibird gets Gunk Shot? That has to be the most oddball combination I've ever known. No standard sets would require Gunk Shot either.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

No standard sets would require Gunk Shot either.

Say hi Muk.

MUUUUUUUUUUUUUK!

Wait, maybe it's Poison Jab...

...........

F***.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I was talking about Delibird's standard sets.

Lol. Delibird and standard sets.

That makes it sound like the poor bird is actually used.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Oh, sorry about that.
Delibird has to have a lot change in order to be usable, Gunk Shot is far from that.

Why can't Ninjask learn Extremespeed?

 

[flyinfilipino]

Gunk Shot in Japan is Dust Shoot, but the move description says the Pokemon throws garbage at the foe. The funny thing is, only Wormadam with the Trash Cloak is capable of learning the move. Also, all Pokemon based on monkeys can learn the move. Hmmm...

Extremespeed in Japan is Godspeed. I guess Ninjask isn't godly or mystical enough for it.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Gunk Shot in Japan is Dust Shoot, but the move description says the Pokemon throws garbage at the foe.

Why Mantine and Delibird can learn this move, and not Weezing, I will never know.

Extremespeed in Japan is Godspeed. I guess Ninjask isn't godly or mystical enough for it.

And Togekiss is?

 

[flyinfilipino]

Why Mantine and Delibird can learn this move, and not Weezing, I will never know.

Yeah, that is pretty bizarre. Mantine probably gets it because of its relation to Remoraid, who can learn the move and is known to shoot things, and Delibird can probably learn it because it can keep trash in its little tail bag.

And Togekiss is?

I think Togekiss does have a mystical quality about it. It's a little fairy bird that only appears during peaceful times. It has Serene Grace, which is known as Heavenly Blessing in Japan. It's also a god of hax.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Gunk Shot in Japan is Dust Shoot, but the move description says the Pokemon throws garbage at the foe. The funny thing is, only Wormadam with the Trash Cloak is capable of learning the move. Also, all Pokemon based on monkeys can learn the move. Hmmm...

I lol'd. Infernape included?

Togekiss is a fairy, so it makes sense.

 

[flyinfilipino]

I lol'd. Infernape included?

Absolutely! Glad you're thinking what I'm thinking.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Absolutely! Glad you're thinking what I'm thinking.

I wasn't. Primape is always left out in the cold. : (

Togekiss does have a sort of mystic quality, I'll give you that.
Why can't Fearow learn Brave Bird?

 

[verycoolguy]

GameFreak needs to make Gunk Shot have higher accuracy, about 85%, or even 90%, or 100% for the hell of it. Since it's not hitting anything other than Grass for SE damage, it won't be that overpowered, and it's resisted by many types. They also gotta give it to more Poison types. Only four Poison types in total can learn the move, while sixteen non-poisons have access to it. This would be a decent way to buff Poison types in general, like Muk and Arbok. They should give it to Qwilfish, so he's even scarier as a Rain Dance sweeper.

Arcanine needs Earthquake, really badly. Electivire should get Wild Bolt and Swords Dance or Bulk Up in B/W. Marowak should have Head Smash. Rhyperior should have kept Rock Head over Lightningrod and have Head Smash. Zapdos should have Air Slash.

 

[PowerBomb]

Uh, Rhyperior has Solid Rock. Not Lightningrod.

 

[verycoolguy]

Rhyperior has both Solid Rock and Lightningrod.

 

[PowerBomb]

Really?

I thought he always was forced to use Solid Rock... o_o

Replace Lightingrod with Rock Head, please.

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Replace Lightingrod with Rock Head, please.

U mad?

Whatever would happen to the "Aim for the horn!" reference it makes?

 

[verycoolguy]

That only happened to Rhydon, not Rhyperior.

 

[EpicSandwich]

Why doesnt Umbreon get Calm Mind, i mean doesnt Gary tell his umbreon to calm his mind to predict were the Alakazam would appear.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Don't use anime as a main source for pokemon logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Regjipg7Xec "Bulbasaur, use Whirlwind!"

As for why it doesn't get the move, I can't draw many conclusions. Most Psychic pokemon have access to it, and only a handfull of other types can. However, there doesn't seem to be any reason why Umbreon can't learn this move. If Sudowoodo and Corsola can learn Calm Mind, a somewhat calm and mystic dark type should be able to.

 

[PowerBomb]

@ above:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgfPAcYWT8&feature=related

o_o

Yeah, don't. Still...

So, why does Steelix not have high attack? It's a Steel ****ing snake, for crying out loud.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Since Growlithe responded, it's nickname could be Arcanine, or it's another 4Kids screw-up.

We're here to discuss attacks and abilities, not stats. But to answer your question, possibly for balance? It did get a 40 base stat bonus in attack by evolving (45 to 85), and the 200 base defense kind of jumps out.

(personally, I think Breloom having 130 base attack is bull****)

 

[EpicSandwich]

Probably because its to heavy to move with power or something weird like that. As you said Pokemon doesnt really have much logic to it.

 

[Charmander]

Arbok evolves into seviper

 

[RuNNing Riot]

Arbok evolves into seviper

No, it doesn't. That was a huge mistake (or ****-up, rather) on 4Kids' part. But everybody hates them anyway, right?

Spoiler

Yes, I know you're joking. : )

 

[EpicSandwich]

Why cant Snorlax learn cut, its bigger than those shrubs anyways it can just eat them.

 

[PowerBomb]

Eating =/= Cutting

Just an FYI.

 

[EpicSandwich]

Eating =/= Cutting

Just an FYI.

i know just it has to remove it to eat it.

Also no Shadow claw for umbreon

 

[Wrath`]

i know just it has to remove it to eat it.

Also no Shadow claw for umbreon

Well unless it paws you to death, but that one makes sense to me.

 

[EpicSandwich]

Well unless it paws you to death, but that one makes sense to me.

Snorlax cant learn it either and it has claws, and yet it can learn shadow ball >.>, also how isnt Dragonite able to learn rock climb.

 

[Rykard]

why cant regigigas learn protect when all the other regi's can?

or would that make it too easy to burn off slow start turns?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Protect probably just doesn't make sense on a Pokemon which is limited to its own power for several turns.

 

[EpicSandwich]

well the way i see it to make any sense of it, despite pokemon not having any sense to it, is that regigigas is to slow (slow start) to be able to set up a protect quick enough. -.- but heck its pokemon and the reasoning why something that something that big cant protect itself is beyond me.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Yeah, Regigigas stalling until Slow Start wares off could be a bit much, but we wouldn't know unless we hacked/experimented with it. It might be overpowering, might not, but GF had good reasons to decline it to learn Protect.

Why can't Vileplume learn Spore?

 

[Fuelbi]

Yeah, Regigigas stalling until Slow Start wares off could be a bit much, but we wouldn't know unless we hacked/experimented with it. It might be overpowering, might not, but GF had good reasons to decline it to learn Protect.

Why can't Vileplume learn Spore?

Hell, why can't Jumpluff learn Spore.

It'd be top dog if it could ditch Sleep Powder for Spore so I DON'T HAVE TO ****ING DEAL WITH SLEEP POWDER MISSES

 

[PowerBomb]

Same reason as to why every other Grass-type with Sleep Powder can't learn Spore.

I'm also assuming Gamefreak wants Spore to be fungus-Pokemon exclusive. Look at who learns it: Parasect, Paras, Shroomish, Breloom. They're all mushroomy, with the exception of Smeargle.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Stun Spore, Spore, eh. Not worth it...

Why can't Stunky / Skuntank learn Sludge?

 

[Charmander]

Stun Spore, Spore, eh. Not worth it...

Why can't Stunky / Skuntank learn Sludge?

.......That would be weird as all its attacks come out of....yeah....

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Yeah, Regigigas stalling until Slow Start wares off could be a bit much, but we wouldn't know unless we hacked/experimented with it. It might be overpowering, might not, but GF had good reasons to decline it to learn Protect.

Why can't Vileplume learn Spore?

For our Pokemon Online server we can't edit abilities. Otherwise we'd try limiting the turns to 3 and see what happens.

Hell, why can't Jumpluff learn Spore.

It'd be top dog if it could ditch Sleep Powder for Spore so I DON'T HAVE TO ****ING DEAL WITH SLEEP POWDER MISSES

That's why we edited it in NU to OU.

Stun Spore, Spore, eh. Not worth it...

Why can't Stunky / Skuntank learn Sludge?

This was that weird thing where some Poison-types get Sludge but not Sludge Bomb and vice versa.